Two US Air Force National Guard slutty exhibitionists, Terran Echegoyen-McCabe and Christina Luna, should be court-martialed for disgracing the military.
How can they be nursing babies and defending the country?
Daily Mail Although there has been a rally of support, some Facebook comments compared the image of the mothers in uniform to ‘urinating and defecating’.
The military mothers who posed for photographs while breastfeeding in their uniform were out of line, the Washington Air National Guard said on Saturday. Terran Echegoyen-McCabe and Christina Luna are pictured nursing their babies on an Air Force base.
But the controversial photoshoot was a violation of regulations against using the uniform to promote a civilian cause, according to Guard spokesman Capt. Keith Kosik.
The photos were taken for the Mom2Mom Breastfeeding Support Group, set up by a military wife and mother-of-three to raise awareness of all women’s rights to breastfeed in public. Crystal Scott, founder of Mom2Mom said, “We’ve done nothing wrong. We’re not disgracing the uniform, we are very proud.” (Maybe YOU are, but most of America is very DISGUSTED with you)
Women should not wear combat uniforms because they should not be near combat.
When I left basic at Ft Ord 40 years ago we were told as we departed for our Advanced Individual Training schools that in the end our default MOS was 11B (Infantry). When you are in the KZ nobody asks if you are support or grunt.
OK Fred Flintstone. You neandrathal! I did two tours in a combat zone. What have YOU done for your country!
Are you talking to me??
When I was in, a WAF was discharged for being pregnant, married OR unmarried,,,
This just sickens me~!
whais a nonmiltary person doing on a miltary instulation ?if a child needes to be fed then the mother should stay home and get out of miltary! this is no place for children of any age!
Unless they have changed the regs there needs to be a childcare plan in place or they will be looking at a discharge. In the ’80s male soldiers were being discharged if they were responsible for dependent children without someone able to take care of them when the service member gets deployed.
I am a male soldier and a single parent, and have been single since 1994. Yes, you are correct. A family care plan is still required in the event of a deployment, If a single parent soldier does not comply with regulations regarding the proper notarised powers of attorney granting guardianship of minor dependants in the event of a deployment, and all other supporting documents, that soldier is still subject to discharge. For many years I had to maintain one for my three boys, and I have deployed (as recently as 2010). I no longer am required to since my sons are all legal adults now. Yes you are absolutely correct.
It’s 2012. 90 percent of women who decide to let a baby dangle off the tit in public are doing it to be seen/make a point. Ugh. Buy a damn bottle.
Hold it!!! Premature weaning (unless you mean that the mother’s breast-milk should be in that bottle!) can be EXTREMELY detrimental to the child!!!
Otherwise, while I do personally prefer definitely that mothers nurse their babies in private, I don’t see these particular ladies as “sluttish” – maybe I’m the naïve ignoramus, in which case I unreservedly apologise. However, this DOES reinforce the larger point – with which I’m in full agreement – that women generally should NOT be in the military, and least of all in combat positions!! Those who do can become cruel beyond ANY reasonable limits. That’s where the men, who’re supposed to be more balanced and detached in decision-making (and also not family-oriented in the same way), have their strengths.
[I write the above bearing the woman's rôle of nurturing and caring (as well as more emotional) being pre-ordained in nature (whether you believe in God or not) - and recognising that there always are exceptions. Also, I'm not against training people of BOTH genders in martial arts so they can effectively fight for their lives if and as necessary; however, it's another thing when fighting on a more professional level for a larger entity, and all the more so if it's for your country.]
Thats rite cuz having overies make us stuped and retarded, er, der…no split tales in duh militery! Only boys no how to do all militery stuf cuz all the miltery job is shoeting and stuf. Ther is no other part in da milertery sept shoeting!
GEEEZ! Come on into the the 21st century ADHA (appropriate name!) It’s ok – most us us are there already… and guess what WOMEN CAN VOTE TOO!!! Oh the horrors!!!
“Kelly Kafir”, did you REALLY need to be this insulting??? First, I recognised that there are exceptions; second, having ovaries instead of testicles doesn’t make women stupid or retarded (let alone both!!) by any means. I simply would prefer that men do the actual fighting on the basis that they on account of temperament are more likely to know when to start and when to stop!! [As to voting: on what basis do you think I've said anything wrong?]
Third, I’m NOT “politically correct”, and this Weblog (in so far as I know) likewise isn’t. [Dear Ms. BNI, you've nothing here to be upset about or apologetic for. Even in this way you prove yourself and your Weblog most educational...]
Forget temperament! They start and stop when ordered to. That is a command decision. In my experience, I fired a split second AFTER the third mortar flare burst, so was commended. Firing a split second BEFORE that flare burst would have gotten me a long stay in LBJ (Long Binh Jail).
Allowing women to vote is what ruined this country. What did John Wayne say to Katherine Hepburn?
“God Help Us!”
MUS, Mr. BNI agrees with you. And what may shock my readers, so do I. I would gladly give up my vote to prevent leftie women from voting themselves so many entitlements.
As a extremely proud Navy Vet, engineer, and, as a result of my engineering prowess, a person who follows protocol to the letter… I am extremely disgusted by the total disregard of the UCMJ protocols dictating military uniform wear….. Not only was this distasteful… but disrespectful to all uniformed military wearers….
I agree. When I had to do this – I went to the head and pumped. I NEVER did any of this in front of anyone and never in uniform. And I was on shore duty when I had my daughter for all you dinosaurs out there.
You go girl!
Did you, yourself, also eat in the head? Well, since your daughter DID survive, we know she has a strong immune system.
This is not a good thing. Breastfeeding is a private activity not to be done in front of people, especially not for a photo shoot while in your uniform! I am very disappointed by this, as I am proud to be in a country that gives women the right to fight for their nation if they are able and willing, but this is an abuse of such a privilege. Wear the uniform proudly.Urinating in uniform is only okay if it is on the body of your slain enemy!
Let’s not forget. If they had done this in Afghanistan,the government would have likely taken a machete to their breasts!
Correct about Afghanistan. That is why we are killing those primitive savages.
what is this american fixation with tits ? they are designed for one reason, to feed babies. get over it you bunch of retards and lets get back to whats important fighting islam.
what you never stopped to look at a pair of 38′s you go on ahead will ketch up with you in a bit !
Well, no, breasts were developed to attract males. Look at other mammalians who breast feed their young, dogs, for instance. They have nipples, elongated through use, but NOT bloated tissue behind them. That is because they attract males by scent, whereas WE must be VISUALLY attracted to a female. The bigger the breasts, the more likely she is to pass on her genes, and through more children.
As a retired SF troop, I disagree. While a regulation may have been abrogated, I have to wonder why Marines in uniform are allowed to pick-up and deliver “Toys for Tots” to civilians in civilian neighborhoods? Most of my service was done when the only way you were allowed to appear in public in fatigues was stopping at a gas station.
I have sat on a few courts in my day, and I have to ask, how many charitable and/or support groups have people participate in uniform? How many times have pictures been published of such things? Is it really a support group or a political organization?
If we have decided to allow pregnant women and motherhood in the service, they come with breasts and the brass is no longer allowed to discriminate. I can hardly wait for a “skins & shirts” basketball game to appear in on base.
The “Times, they are a changing”, and you better get used to it. And to the bottle-baby above? Get over it!!!
Never.
Then remain offended.
You, too, skippy.
Let’s be honest (and these clueless “Mom2Mom” bimbos are total hypocrits!): If a woman is going topless in public, she’s charged with a misdemeanor for public nudity; but it’s OK to pop out the big one if you have a child on the end?!? Gimme a break! I’m not altogether against breast-feeding in public, but only under certain circumstances: The woman is basically covered up and NO part of her breast is in any way exposed, baby lips on it or not! Also, commonsense and decency dictate that the nursing mother find a place in private or in a corner – i.e., out of obvious public sight, if possible. And, of course – a big DUH here!! – NOT in military uniform!! What idiots!! And they have showed zero respect for both the uniform and those strangers around them who would undoubtedly be VERY squeamish at the sight of bare breasts & uniforms!! Would they even be tolerated if they DIDN’T have those babies sucking away?!? I think NOT!!
‘Clueless’ is a good word.
If you did this in ANY uniform of a civilian organization…out the door right away!
The issue isn’t breast-feeding…it’s the uniform that belongs TO THE GOVERNMENT…not your personal nursing suit, honey!
So right!! They WOULD NOT be tolerated if NOT for the fact babies are attached to those boobs, and I don’t mind them breast feeding , BUT damn sure would not say “Oh, isn’t that cool?!”AND NOT in a USAF uniform! As a USAF vet, Vietnam Era, I find this idiotic behavior damned offensive!!
As a paratrooper who actually fought in Vietnam, I saw more of REAL life than anyone stationed at a relatively secure Air Force Base and I do NOT find this behavior offensive. Please do not reply to me unless you also heard armed Viet Cong whispering, as I did.
SR, Mr. BNI is a Vietnam Vet and he says, “You are full of shit.”
I disagree with that opinion, but will defend your right to say it.
SR, fair enough.
First of all, babies ARE more important than military uniform and female breasts have been made exactly for this – breastfeeding. And, thank God, in most civilised countries (excluding US) it is ok for a woman to be topless on a beach.
thank you, Joanna. There’s nothing “sick” in breastfeeding, but treating a breastfeeding mother (in uniform or not) like a sex object is disgusting.
LOL,:D,US armed forces are becoming laughing stock of the world,The first objective of a fighting force is to instill FEAR in enemy,and i think the above pic would do anything but that,Fighting force is composed of warriors and not this rubbish behaviour,this is a result of wild femmnism sweeping US.
There is also a good psychological value in pointing out to the enemy that pregnant women are killing their soldiers, especially an enemy like mohammadans who consider women to be inferior.
Breastfeeding women are out in public all the time, but they don’t feel the need to expose their breasts to the world and have their babies suckle. The only point these women are making is that they have breasts full of milk. Who cares! These women don’t care about how anyone else feels with the exposure of their breasts in public – it is all about them.
Several issues going on here. Breast feeding in public (nothing wrong there as far as I’m concerned) military women supporting a civilian cause in uniform (not good – against the rules) and military women in uniform breast feeding (what are fighting women in uniform doing with babies?)
Fighting women with babies? What kind of question is that? Do you people think the Dept. of Defense bans female servicemembers from getting pregnant and having babies?
I have seen both sides of this coin in my 21 years of service both active and national guard. I’ve seen a few young unmarried female soldiers get pregnant simply to avoid deployment, and even just to get out of going to the field for a few weeks. These types need to be weeded out because they drain a commander’s deployable assets and increase the burden carried by their fellow soldiers, not to mention, they’re a waste of the taxpayer’s money.
That being said, I have also seen plenty of good, capable, female soldiers, both married and single parent, who did their duty, fulfilling their oath, and went on their deployments, performed admirably in difficult, hazardous conditions as well, with many even volunteering to go with other units.
There seems to be an attitude of “if the government wanted a servicemember to have a family, it would have issued one” going on here today. Well folks, it is an all volunteer military and we have to be realistic in order to meet peronnel strength. With some small nations who must conscript, the opposite dynamic applies, and they have no choice but to rely on conscripted female soldiers. Israel comes to mind here.
Now, back on topic, my take on the photo op above with the two breastfeeding Airforce personnel is that it is highly unprofessional, and as BNI pointed out, it makes us look weak and pathetic. We’re supposed to be in the business of fighting wars, not looking silly, or using the uniform to advance a civilian cause.
I do not however, have a beef against breastfeeding, even for mothers in the armed forces, as long as it is done with respect, decorum, and with no trace of trying to be provacative. As Kelly Kaffir stated, breast pumps are available as is the female restroom.
The photo op above is simply provacative and has no military value whatsoever. I find it totally disgraceful.
Now, lets stay on target, roll up our sleeves, strike a blow for St. George, and get on with the crusades fellow warriors!
Rock On!
How dare someone be so outraged and say that those MOTHERS are making “most” of America sick. Absolute idiots. Breastfeeding is natural and the best way to feed a baby and a mother should NEVER be ashamed of it. I nursed my daughter for a year and I would have lost my mind if someone said what I was doing was “disgusting”. There is absolutely nothing wrong with public nursing, for heaven’s sake you can’t even see an inch of skin on the woman on the right. And seriously, the amount of breast being shown with the woman on the left is nothing that our society bats an eyelash at when its some slutty celebrity in a skimpy dress. “SLUTTY EXHIBITIONISTS”!?!?!?!?! Completely and utterly shameful and worthy of every bit of hate mail I hope that author recieves. Disgusting.
I agree with you. From another point of view, mohammadans would be disgusted with these women because their FACES were not covered.
how can we mount a defence when we have to defend the defenders while they breast feed.
Because nursing mothers are NEVER put in combat, moron.
Funny have seen pictures all over with women soldgiers in combat zones missy sassy pants and have done two tours as an 03-11 grunt ! I agree heavy combat is no place for women .
Wrong! In recent history, black males earned the RESPECT of the white soldiers by killing the enemy, and being killed by them. With that respect came an appreciation of their MANHOOD, and all the rights that came with being considered a MAN. In America, women are second class citizens. On battlefields, they are staking their claim to First Class Citizenship. NEVER claim that women are PHYSICALLY unfit for combat. Audie Murphy was turned down by the Marines and by the Paratroopers because of his bad back. That didn’t stop him from manning a .50 caliber machine gun on a BURNING AMMUNITION carrier and putting a hurt on a Nazi attack. Any woman in a wheelchair could do the same, if she also has his ATTITUDE.
Women and men fight for different reasons. When they are compelled to fight women can be far more vicious then most men. I remember my Staff Sergeant recalling an incident where a Viet Cong Nurse had been captured and was being treated in an Aid Sation. He was totally shocked when she pulled out a hand grenade and tried to take everyone out including herself. My own take? I remembered the enjunction in the “Fighting Man’s Code of Conduct” ” If I am captured, I will continue to resist by all means available”. I this story I saw the warrior spirit alive in an enemy of my country. She would deserve a bench place in Vahalla.
Obviously the issue of public breast feeding is dividing the readership of this blog. Can we all at least agree that doing it in uniform for a photograph during a war with our enemy, is inappropriate.
Nobama, pay no attention to anyone who approves of it in this context. I should probably ban them.
Wearing a uniform is an act of love towards your country; breastfeeding your baby is an act of love towards your child. I see no contradiction in here.
vienna, having sex with your mate is an act of love too. But having sex with your mate in uniform in front of a camera that you know will be published is disgracing the uniform. So is breastfeeding in those same circumstances.
In New York if a man can go shirtless then so can a woman, in Vermont you can go naked if you want in public so it is not illegal in all places. I don’t think that they should of done it in a military uniform but there is nothing wrong with a woman breastfeeding a child. Just think of the trama that it will cause the muslims to know that they do this. I’m loving it. My exwife breastfeed both children, when they wanted to eat they were fed. Nothing wrong with it. Just not in a military uniform. Peace to all non-moslems who see breastfeeding as normal.
As a 20 year female vet who only had one pregnancy on SHORE duty, I will say this: Yeah, breastfeeding is normal and natural, blah blah blah but really, I have never felt the need to do it in public. I always found a private place or I would cover with a blanket. It is no one’s business what I am doing as long as I don’t make it anyone’s business by popping out my milk melons in front of everyone. HOWEVER, doing this is uniform and in public is unsat and I hope these females get the same treatment as anyone else bringing discredit upon the armed services.
Thanks, Kelly, I’m getting a lot of emails bashing me for my take on this.
Kelly, at first I wasn’t having what you were selling. As a mother of 5, I breast fed each of my children until the age of 2, but exclusively until they went straight to table food, or processed baby food I made myself. I think bottle feeding is like offering your newborn or baby McDonalds, but that is just me. I agree that breastfeeding really shouldn’t be a public activity, but if it must be, a blanket thrown over the shoulder with the baby under it is the respectable thing to do. I know that there are people who view breastfeeding as gross, or something they shouldn’t be forced to view. Just like when I see two homosexuals kissing in public, YUK, get a room, do it in private. There are so many un-natural acts that I view from time to time that I do not subscribe to, and because we live in a society that must accept everything, we must leave it up to common decency of the individuals in every case. These ladies in uniform used poor judgement in my opinion and you helped me realize that. I am very defensive of breatfeeding, and sometimes you just have to whip it out and nurse the hungry baby, but most times there are plenty of places to move to and sit quietly away from the view of others, which is what I did, out of respect for my body, my baby, and those around me who I didn’t want to make uncomfortable and THAT is where these two military chicks are failing here. People tend to take things too far to make a point, and whoever said it above is correct, when you allow woman into the military, you get the whole female, periods, breast feeding, pregnancy, fertility etc. They can’t pick and choose, it’s all in the package, but these ladies could have chosen to at the least use some kind of CAM0FLAGE.
What the Hell are tits for anyway? Not ornaments, not sexual gratification devices. Not trophies to display on a shelf.
The human race would not be here without’em. Let that sink in for a minute. Think about it.
The photo ain’t titilating. It should not be. They showed less than many if not most on the beach.
There is nothing wrong with nature’s way of nurturing infants; nothing gross or immoral about it.
Having women in combat roles is another matter, one to be reserved for extremity, in my opinion, but a separate issue from breast feeding.
Not knowing the context in which the image was used, I don’t know whether official sanction was expressed or implied. I presume they violated the rules, but I don’t perceive any big deal worthy of a blog post.
Daj, they disgraced the military and therefore the post is worthy. You know, you people say it is a natural function. Well so is having sex a natural function. Would you like to see people in uniform performing sex acts for the camera?
Hey, Kosik, how about the headbags you allow soldiers to wear, whose sole purpose is to promote, and FLAUNT, their cause, mohammadanism? If you charge these American mothers, you also better bring the same charge against the mohammadan infiltrators in your own ranks. Selective prosecution, you know? You should ADVERTISE these photos, proof that jihadis are being killed by pregnant women.
I don’t know what these two moms should be ashamed of. They both look fantastic!! Especially the one with the twins!!! Women’s breasts are never more beautiful than when they are being used for the purpose that God intended.
All of the men who are disgusted by this photo must be faggots!!!
Seriously; this photo does raise some serious issues about women serving in the military or in combat. It is not PC to ask why we as a society are allowing the best and the
brightest of our women to spend their years of peak fertility serving in an occupation that is unaccomodating to if not hostile to them having and raising children. Take a look at the statistics for declining birth rates and Total Fertility Rates. The non muslim world is suffering a demographic implosion. We are not having enough children to maintain our current populations into the future. Japan and Russia along with the former Eastern Block are in a death spiral. The global recession that is becoming a depression is largely the result of demographic changes that are burdening societies with too many retirees and not enough workers to support them.
With all due respect to these two moms, their serving in the military is not as vital to the country as just being moms.
Natural to breast feed a child in fact proven the best way to feed an infant if possible. But this is in your face militant Airforce Mom’s saying ef you to the uniform code of conduct. The further erosion of the core disciplines that make our military what it has been. The socialist, liberal activists chipping away at our institutions one chunk at a time. No place for uniforms and flopping breast in the open in the Military. My wife breast fed all 3 of our boys always brought a blanket for her modesty and for the respect of those around her. When and where do we draw the line. This social engineering of our military has to stop and we need commanders to stand up to this BS and all the other crap infiltrating our Service branches. I for one find this egregious in your face activism. What would a WWII vet say about this crap.
This is a prime example of what happens when soccer moms are allowed to join the armed forces. Now lets get the phags to giving blow jobs to the men in support of Obama turning our military into a circle jerk!
FS, I imagine most gay soldiers have more class than these broads.
Really? They have no class because they’re both soldiers and mothers who are doing the most natural thing in the world, feeding their own children? That makes utterly no sense.
BG, A lot of things are “natural” but you don’t do them on camera while in uniform. Breastfeeding women should not even be allowed to serve. Give them leave until they can get childcare. I am sick to death at how PC the whole military has become thanks to the leftie scum and the POS Muslim POTUS. He might as well finish decimating the rest of the military, he has already turned it into weak and ineffective fighting force with all the budget cuts. But I’m sure he’s thrilled that now it’s a major career choice for women and gays and soon transgenders. Suddenly there’s no room for the real fighting men anymore, just nursing mommies.
Just like he’s destroyed NASA, firing 10,000 people, and turning it into a Muslim outreach program that we fund to bring little
Muslim terrorists in training to what’s left of NASA for their summer vacation.
Our enemies are loving it.
Shame on you for using a slang word for the very part of a woman that makes her female to mean weak or shameful. You’re basically saying that female equals weak and shameful. And I’m not what exactly everyone is spazzing about here. If this were a male soldier bottle-feeding his child while wearing his uniform, would that be considered weakness? Fatherhood and caring for your child is weakness? And if it’s not, then why is motherhood, especially the most natural and proper use for the human female breast, which is to nourish human babies. Being a mother doesn’t make a soldier weak or shameful. As far as I can tell, breastfeeding won’t make their trigger fingers drop off and wither. All of you people foaming at the mouth about this, grow up already.
If this were a male soldier, he would be praised for “lowering himself” to do “women’s work”. At least, he would be by unevolved neanderthals.
Those of us whose ancesters hail from Eurasia (Ireland to Nippon) share 5% genes with the Neanderthals.
That 5% is only an average. A lot of Homo Sap have many more primitive genes in their makeup, especially those governing instinctive behavior.
Okay, I understand the issue of wearing a uniform to support a political cause. Point taken. Give these women a MILD reprimand.
I took time to look at the Mom 2 Mom Breastfeeding website to understand what the issue was.
The bottom line is these woman were making a point that breastfeeding should be accommodated. Having to retreat to the latrine to breast feed isn’t a good idea unless it is a clean latrine and there is somewhere for the mom to sit other than on a toilet. If that is the only concession that the military will offer nursing mothers then perhaps it isn’t inappropriate for them to do this photo to make a point.
I think the real issue here is that some people choose to take offense to women breast feeding. Governor Palin mentions in her book that one official became offended when he realized that she was breastfeeding Trig while having a speakerphone conversation with him! What an idiot! If he was a real man he would have suggested that they make it a video conference! Another Republican official chose to become offended when he walked by the sound booth where she was doing a radio commercial for him and realized that she was breastfeeding Piper. Why the controversy. In both cases she was breastfeeding in a venue where she had a reasonable expectation of privacy. People chose to become offended because it emphasized the fact that she is very much a
woman. With Democrat women politicians such as Mrs Clinton, it is really easy to forget that they are women.
I stand by my comments that the controversy should raise questions about the wisdom of endangering our women when our birth rates are well below replacement levels. This is in no way a slur on women’s competence. It is simply an acknowledgement that men are expendable while women are not.
As for the photo being inappropriate, the blonde with twins isn’t revealing any more of her breasts than most women do in a swimsuit at the beach or pool. The brunette with the baby is barely revealing any flesh. Big deal.
These women are OUT OF UNIFORM. Plain and simple. They are a disgrace to the uniform, and are engaging in conduct unbecoming to the service.
Yeah? So? MAYBE they were out of uniform. What’s your point? Back in the good old days, my team and I were hit with a surprise inspection by a REMF Major, at supper time. You should have seen his eyes bug out when he saw the 5 of us sitting around, eating Vietnamese food with chopsticks, AND wearing black pajamas! I don’t think he noticed the American boots we wore. There we were, living among the Vietnamese, eating their food, socializing with them, not seeing another round eye for weeks at a time, and he expected us to look like something from a recruitment poster. Sheesh. I’m sure you would have gotten along well with him. By the way, MAT 64, MY team, was so effective WHERE IT MATTERED that the Viet Cong made a special effort, by the order of THEIR headquarters, to wipe us out. Remember Willie and Joe? There they were, dirty and bedraggled in a foxhole with a spit-shined MP glaring down at them. Said Willy, “He’s right, Joe. When we ain’t fighting, we SHOULD act like soldiers.”
Deal with it. It’s what breasts are for and it’s no where near the same as urinating. It’s natural and healthy for a child and if you TAKE offense it’s your problem.
I breastfed where ever I was. No one saw a thing and if their heads were imagining what was going on under my shirt, the blanket or the sling I used then the issue was definitely in their twisted minds. I didn’t give a f*ck about anyone’s opinion of it.
A little modesty is all that is required to be accepted. Not in your face breast feeding for the entire comunity to behold. OVER THE TOP.
Father of 8 grandfather of 22 greatgrandfather of 1.
Are those their real names? Terran is science fiction short speak for earthling. Luna of course means moon.
LK, no idea.
It’s not about motherhood or denying women the opportunity to serve, but PRAGMATICS would dictate that to be a lean, mean, fighting machine, serving on the front lines, one cannot be as a cover of Family magazine. That’s just ridiculous! How about allowing pregnant women or handicapped men on the olympic track team? Pragmatics, people!
Two legged runners don’t want to run against legless runners. They say the springy things they strap to their stumps give them an unfair advantage, make them too fast. And I’d rather go into combat with a pregnant woman than with some of the male fools and cowards I have served with.