wanna see something strange? Check out Obama’s Facebook page. and look at the doctored image of ann dunham. if you look at her arm (around Obama’s waist) he arm is white but her hand is Black!!!!!!!!!
saw in on World Net Daily. check it out before the image is taken down.
The amoral, atheist liberals may not mind muslims slaughtering/raping/persecuting Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews and Bahais now, but just wait ’til its their turn and it will be. Try preaching atheism publicly in ANY muslim state atheist dirtbags, see what it gets you.
I would assume, you hardcore bible thumpers (who are just as dangerous as ass lifters) would consider him “moral” as he just stated he *SUPPORTS CHRISTIANS AND JEWS.*
You numbnuts are too far up your own asses to understand those musloid loving atheists you call “amoral” are first and foremost commies/socialists/marxists. They have an agenda.
Yet here you are attacking us “amoral” unbeliever, heathens who would die to protect you and your rights simply because we don’t share your sky monster delusions.
*THAT* attitude is WHY those leftist atheists with an agenda are winning. You asshats scare, berate, abuse, and deride people without an agenda who simply don’t believe but who would stand with you AWAY from your side. Who the f*ck wants to stand with people who bash them at every turn?
Jackass.
I’m a “Bible thumper,” with many atheist friends and family members who are very moral people. I’ve always enjoyed reading your posts IC, but have to say that I’m perplexed by your attack on ALL Christians. Also, as a Christian I love the Jewish people, and believe that they are God’s chosen people, and would never do anything to harm a Jew, atheist, Buddhist, etc. My issue is with Islam and the Obama administration. I resent being referred to as an “asshat.” If you have an issue with a specific person, you should limit your insults to that specific individual.
Cranky,
I was not attacking all Christians. I was attacking the two on here who are attacking atheists who have stated over and over they stand with the Christians. The asshat was aimed at and replied to the asshats who accused an atheist of being “amoral” after he stated he stands with Christians, and the one who stated that atheists celebrate attacks on Christians.
I even made mention of the fact that none of the other Christians on here have so viciously attacked atheists.
You are not a Bible thumper, Cranky. A Bible thumper is one who attacks, berates, belittles, and condemns those who believe differently while hiding behind the Bible. You’ve never done that.
I’m sorry that you felt my anger was aimed at you or any of the other regular Christian posters on here. It most definitely was not. I should have been more clear at whom I was responding to.
I guess I misunderstood…no hard feelings. I believe in God/Jesus, but respect your right to believe or disbelieve. I respect the rights of anybody to believe whatever they want UNLESS they try to impose those beliefs on others and/or harm others because of those beliefs. Hence, my aversion to all things Islamic.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Let’s all cry for the atheists who regularly denigrate all religions save Pisslam (e.g. Bill Maher, Jon Stuart, Rachel Maddow, Rosie O’Donnel et-fucking-cetera), because it’s just easier that way.
Iphobe, you are wrong about Maher, he is THE most outspoken opponent of Islam in the leftie world. Just enter “Bill Maher” into the Search box here and see for yourself.
1st assumption and ad-hom: I’m a bible thumper
2nd assumption: I denigrate Condell for the mere fact of being an atheist (when, in fact I supported his position)
Are you trying to tell me leftist atheists
are, in fact, moral in any positive sense of that word?
How many atheists ever publicly protest the rape/slaughter/persecution of people of other faiths? Because all I hear/see/read are brain-dead atheists telling me all religions are the same — ad nauseum.
And with that I’m out, BNI.
The super hateful Jesus freaks are running this tinpot show. I don’t want to be around if they’re in charge once the muslim supremacists are rousted out.
Just watch your back, Bonni. Those morons will turn on you because you’re a Jewess when the time is right for them.
IC, I try to stay out of arguments between atheists and Christians.
I am an atheist. So when they start screaming about all the “amoral atheists” and burning them at the stake they’re talking about me.
When they accuse atheists of being in bed with the muslim supremacists, they’re accusing me.
They alienate not just the atheists but the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and in some cases Jews as well.
Not all of them, but a few in particular, have been taking pot shots at atheists on this thread. Atheists that staunchly defend Christians.
They want to take on the muslim supremacists alone, fine. I leave them to it but I’m not a glutton for punishment.
Did I ever state one could not be moral AND
an atheist?
The biggest cowards on network television are atheists. They whine and bitch and complain about Christianity while the muslimes are busily slaughtering and raping people all over the world.
“Staunchly defend” Huh? All I see/read/hear are atheists trying to tell me that Christianity is “just as bad” as pisslam.
Bill Maher’s mild criticism of pisslam is nothing in comparison to his vitriolic criticism of Christianity. Once again who the f*(k gave you the right to call me Christian?
How do you know I don’t worship Norse gods?
All you hear are atheists blah, blah, blah.
Not on here.
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU to imply that jfp, who’s never said anything denigrating about Christians or Christianity is “amoral?” Or that he believes “Christianity is as bad as islam,” or that he criticizes Christianity when he explicitly said he stands with Christians?
And, yes, many of us DO defend Christianity and appreciate living in the Judeo-Christian West because of the contributions to our culture.
But, no, you don’t believe that. Instead you have done nothing but attack us along with commie scum like O’Donnel.
YOU’RE the one who made assumptions by not even listening to what we were saying and assuming we believe “Christianity is as bad as islam.” From jfp’s statement that is highly doubtful and I have never made such a statement in my life.
So, Tyr worshiper, YOU wrought the accusation of “bible-thumper” upon yourself by aiming your loathing of leftarded atheist aholes at those of us who share NOTHING in common with them other than a lack of belief. A loathing, which I’ve only seen in musloids toward all things non-musloid, and in those anal retentive, high and mighty, anything but Christ-like faux Christians towards anything not deemed as faux Christian as themselves.
Where did I accuse JfP of being
amoral? I indict amoral atheists
for their equivocation that all
religions are the same.
So, I accused myself of being
a “bible thumper”?
I apologize to anyone atheist, if
I implied all atheists were amoral.
BTW, I do respect atheists like
Wafa Sultan, Aayan Hirsi,
Oriana Fallaci, Pat Condell.
Interesting. Netanyahu publicly thanked Christians for supporting Israel. Has he done the same for atheists? And who the hell are you to tell me I’m Christian?
Ip and Ic, let’s keep this civil. WE are all on the same side.
Pat Condell is no friend of the Christians. Any Christian who promotes Condell needs to do some soul searching and meditate with God. I could care less if he’s right about islam. So are the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc. Big deal. That doesn’t make any of them any less deceived.
I tried to listen, I promise. But, I stopped the video @25 seconds in. Condell is not on the side of Christians, he’s simply a demon battling against another demon for ultimate supremacy over the devils world.
Again, any Christian can clearly see that people like Pat Condell are against Christians. It just so happens anyone can see that islam is the biggest world-wide threat to individual freedom’s. If islam were to become extinct, the Pat Condell’s of he world would turn their sights on Christians (as most Atheists are currently doing).
The way I look at is; the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
In saying that, I am a huge fan of Pat’s.
You are way off base here.
I am an atheist, who’s not liberal, and I have been spit on and threatened by atheists while protesting their demands to remove nativity scenes.
Condell, like me, does not attack Christians. Nor does he advocate attacking Christians. He attacks religion. I dare sa he, like myself, would stand in defense of CHristians, if any group were to physically attack them.
You’re confusing atheists who love Western civilization for its freedoms and simply don’t believe with the communist/marxist/socialist scum who are atheists who DO attack Christians and Western civilization.
They are always in bed with musloids because the musloids are just as hell bent on destroying Western civilization and Christianity as they are. The rest of us were not attacking Christians or your beliefs before islam started to slither into the West and we certainly won’t attack you after we roust islam out of the West.
I have followed both secular and religious philosophies through my life, but more and more I appreciate the contribution of organized Christianity (with the exception of some sects such as Anglicans’ and Presbyterians’s official policies which have become jihadi apologists).
Catholicism – I’ll ignore the catcalls – being the world oldest institution, has a moral consistency unlike any other organization, and it offers a certain stability which is absent everywhere else these days.
Pat does acknowledge the value system from Christianity of which all of us are heirs. At the same time he does not support it as “organized” religion. What he fails to realize is that, by removing the structure, the value system WILL disappear as it morphs into something else (“anything goes” in a moral relativistic environment).
The value system will have no anchor, and it will drift in whatever direction the winds of political and social expediency blow.
And THAT is the real danger: removing the glue which stabilizes our value system, and yet very few can see this coming.
I don’t mind Pat Condell criticising any faith. If your faith can’t take criticism that’s your problem, not his. It’s called free speech. We have to support it, even if we don’t like it, otherwise we’re no better than the islamonazi apes.
There are other amoral atheists who couldn’t care less when muslimes slaughter/rape/persecute non-muslimes. They actually consider it a good thing. Condell is the only atheist I’ve ever heard who has sympathy for the victims of islamonazism.
Pat Condell is atheist and he does not believe in Christianity; but if you had bothered to listen to the entire video he attacked Islam and defended Christians. Just because he rejects the Christian belief system does not mean that he does not support Christians against Islam.
I was raised as a Christian and I am now highly educated on a huge range of non-Christian subjects. And I have learned over the years that the weakness of most Christians with some exceptions is that they refuse to read non-Christian books. That is why every Christian I have met in Australia, thousands in fact, have not read the Koran and do not know their enemy. Most Australian Christians will not stand up against Islam. Any person be they Christian or not that refuses to rise from the ashes of ignorance and refuses to learn about the dark side shall be destroyed by the dark side. Only those people that upgrade their knowledge on all subjects, even when they disagree with what they are reading, only those people shall stop the darkness from spreading. Without education Islam shall win. Ignorance and apathy is our first enemy.
Allan, I like Condell even before he changed his opinion (to the right one) on the Palestinian-Israeli issue. Just because we disagree with him on some issues, we should still embrace his magnificent efforts to offend and outrage the entire muslim world.
I agree I like Condell, his sarcastic style is entertaining and brings us to attention to the status of ‘Must Listen’ If all Christians talked like Condell against Islam we would defeat this 7th Century dangerous mob. I was raised as a Christian and for that reason I have a right to criticise Christians that refuse to oppose Islam. I am not Theist, Deist, or Atheist.
Allan, I have yet to get a Koran but I receive info from leftist groups in order to stay informed about what they are up to.
I chuckle when I look at a document called Islamophobia written by Center for American Progress. I like the way they have named and categorized their opponents. For example Michelle Bachmann is labeled a political player and Bridgette Gabriel an activist, and Frank Gaffney a scholar, etc.
I confess that I have a short attention span when reading any false religious text, or anything untrue for that matter.
Uncle,
Don’t buy a qur’an just enter quran.com on your computer. I had some of my Lebanese and Egyptian Christians friends check it out and they say it is not a white washed edition.
It’s good to have it on my computer, as it allows me to check things out that I have read.
Mapleleaf: Your advice id good and may save people some money and cut profits to the filthy muslims. But how can you burn a Queeran if you don’t have one to burn.
Computers are hard to light and sometimes refuse to support combustion.
I think some of Condells sarcasm may have rubbed off.
I always direct people to quran.com as well because it’s a muslim supremacist site, by muslim supremacists, for muslim supremacists. They can get the dope straight from the horse’s ass and can’t scream “that’s from a biased anti-muslim site!”
However, being a muslim supremacist site it does have the muslim supremacists go to fool the kaffir translation: sahih internationa.
Have your Arabic speaking friends check out the “sahih international” translation.
muslim supremacists, when caught in their lies about what’s in mein kuranmpf, scream that you must use “authentic sahih international translation!”
Sahih international was translated by three non-native Arabic speaking American traitors who converted. It was bankrolled by: Soddy Barbaria.
It should be noted that this bamboozle the kaffir translation is the one that’s most commonly handed out by dawa taqiyya spewing aholes.
It is a modern construct by non-native Arabic speakers, but is allegedly the “most authentic” translation.
Yet not a peep out of the islamic supremacists about how all those poor, poor muslims, for 1400 years, were reading, non-authentic, inferior translations.
I always suggest to non-muslims, who are on the fence and have been confronted with the usual “must read in arabic,” and “must read authentic translation” nonsense, to do just that: read one of the “non-authentic” translations that the muslim supremacists had no problem with before the fool the kaffir translation. BUT, they should read it alongside the sahih translation translation AND tafsir. That way they can see it for the convoluted bullshi’ite it really is.
Tafsir comes off as a rambling morass when read in conjunction with the sahih translation. It illustrates the egregious contortions and lies muslim supremacists go through to lie about mein kuranmpf.
They should also be encouraged to read it in more than one language if they are fluent in other languages just to highlight that this modern construct written by non-native Arabic speakers called sahih international, is choppy, clunky and vastly different than older translations written by actual native Arabic speakers.
Also, if you can, try to get your hands on one of the earlier translations of the fool the kaffir edition and compare it to a newer version. Much has changed as the muslim supremacists get caught in their lies and do more white washing of it.
One of the members of my ACT for America chapter pointed out to me that the USC website that purports to have translations of islamic texts had been whitewashing them.
Is deliberately mis-translating the holey texts of pisslam covered by the provisions of taqiyya (to absolve you of being a bad muslime for doing so)?
Uncle,
Is this document available on the net? I would like to read it; The Koran is a boring dry read book, I had to force myself to read it three times, three differnt translations. After reading Dawood version I had to read other versions to see if what he wrote was true. The translation by an Arab is the hardest to read. Choice of words varied, but meaning and intent was the same.
It is good that you are reading other information that tables the dark truth about Islam. Before I retired I owned a 200 square metre bookshop in a Christian dominated town called Grafton in NSW Australia. As a test run I create a series of A4 slides with large type and photographs publishing the dark truth about Islam. The display was approx. 3 feet high by four feet wide. Below the display were books about Islam, including the rare to Australia book ‘The Roots Of Jihad’ by Muslim whistleblower Dr. Tawfix Hamid. I left the display there for 6 months. I discovered that 99% of Christians that came into the shop were not interested in learning about Islam, and most only glanced and refused to read the large font size slides of information. Books about the dark truth of Islam were slow to sell. Christian books were also difficult to sell in a major Christian town. To my suprise my best sellers were ‘New Age’ and ‘Buddhism’ books- I don’t understand the negative thinking of Christians. They want Christianity but won’t fight to protect it by increasing their education about the opposition.
One day in 2007 a tall man of Arabic background asked me about the name of author on the Islam slideshow. He said who is Allan Ivarsson? I replied “That’s me.” He responded and shook my hand and said, “Excellent.” That was a gift of encouragement to keep opposing Islam.
I’ve tried reading the quran, and I’ve also tried reading Mein Kampf.
Of the two, Mein Kampf is the more coherent, more sensical (as in one can make sense of it) read, and the LESS satanic of the two.
D S Dunlop,
I agree Mein Kampf is easier to read; though Hitler was still an evil man. The strange part about Hitler’s life is that as a young teenager he did not know the word Jew. He was taught anti-Jew thinking by evil adult mentors. Those teachers are the real culprits behind the holocaust; because they taught hate of the Jews.
Oh, I don’t deny that Hitler was as evil as Mohammed. I am only saying that even Hitler was a better writer and more coherent excuse for a human being than was Mohammed.
Oh, and though I don’t usually harp on typos, the name is D S DunlAp, not Op…
D S Dunlap,
My apology for typo; there is no excuse for error.
Best Wishes,
Allan
How can I get a hold of a unholy Quran? I’d like to do it without compromising my anonymity if possible (not so much for myself, as for the people I have to care for).
I’d like to get one for New Year’s Eve and burn it or put it in the urinal of a local bar. It has to be cheap.
TrueGrit: One of the greatest failings of Christians seems to be that they have far too thin a skin. I think and thought that Christianity was tolerant of other beliefs that were not murderous masquerades called religions, as islam is. Other beliefs and opinions are OK as long as they are not forced upon Christians or anyone else. Everyone should be free to worship or not to worship as they choose. Like was stated in Viet Nam, let God sort ‘em out.
Condell can be an agnostic or an atheist if he wants to be. Listen to the message he delivers so well. Don’t kill the messenger.
Don’t get your shorts in a knot because he speaks opinions which differ from yours.
He is free to do so as are you.
Just saying.
Odd how Pat feels such an obligation to include sideswipes at the mortally persecuted Christians even now. I don’t think they need to be sneered at particularly at present.
And despite his professed ‘atheism’ Pat manages to be a darn site more of a Christian than for instance … the so called Archbishop of Canterbury, to name but one of many cowardly church ‘leaders’.
In fact I don’t find Pat’s ‘atheist’ badge convincing at all, and I don’t give a damn what he thinks about that, either.
Interesting thought. Being an atheist definitely makes criticising pisslam easier, because then the opposition can’t as easily resort to tu quoque arguments.
Last Monday, two Christians Jehovah’s Witnesses came to my door. One was a young man in early twenties the other man was in his early forties. I told them that I had read their works during last 20 years whilst I lived in Sydney and I had purchased off them 4 volumes of their annual books to study. I said I knew what they teach and that I did not need anymore readings. Then I spent an hour with them telling them about Islam. I told them that if all Christians do not unite Islam shall wipe them out. I explained that if there are no Christians left how shall new generations know the bible or Jesus. They shall not because no bibles or Christian teachers shall exist. The new generations shall only know Islam. True History will have died. I told these Christians to read the Koran learn their enemy and go back and unite all Christians against Islam. They replied they will not read the Koran, the will not fight- that it is wrong to kill. And if they are killed they shall be with the lord. Then I said goodbye and knew Christianity shall be wiped out by Islam. Simply because the majority of Christians will not fight. Today’s Christians do not have the courage of the ancient crusaders. Any person that defends Christianity and refuses to stand up against Islam is not a true to his Christian beliefs. Jesus taught turn the other cheek and walk an extra mile but he did not teach they we should submit to evil. We do have the natural right to defend ourselves with whatever degree of force is necessary. Those that refuse to fight- get what they deserve.
I agree. Those that will not fight to save their God in this country are not true Christians.
A few hours before Jesus was arrested, he said to all his apostles, “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” (Luke 22:36)
Since Jesus told his followers to buy swords and never changed that command, there’s no reason to believe that things should be different today. We need to be willing and able to protect ourselves and our society.
More evidence that God expects us to fight for what is right in today’s world is in Philippians 2:25 and Philemon 2, Paul refers to another Christian as a “fellow soldier.”
If and when the spiritual battle escalates into the physical to the point that an evil person (or a nation of them) is going to physically harm us, the Scripture’s message is clear: With God’s help, fight back and prevail!
Throughout Scripture God defines and encourages three kinds of killing that are justified and often necessary: 1) self-defense; 2) society-defense (execution of criminals); 3) national self-defense, which we call war. All three apply to Islam.
When the only way to have peace is war, we must destroy Satan (Islam) and all its allies. In the battle between good and evil, on the side of good there is God and his armies, both angels and humans. On the side of evil are the Devil, his demons, and the people who knowingly or unknowingly side with him (Muslims). The Bible says that God is a warrior. “The LORD is a man of war” (Exod. 15:3, KJV).
“Turn the other cheek,” to me, means forgive your enemies only if they stop their evil ways. If they don’t, fight them.
There is no way God wants us to replace Him with Mohammed.
Some Christian sects misinterpret the Bible. God warns us of false prophets.
Thank you for the info, as I was listening to PAt, I suddenly went “blank” to the references needed to counter this arguement. Thank you for shining the light of the truth we, as Christians, the followers of the Christ redeemer to all. Semper Fi.
Allan,
I hope you are not implying that Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christians.
In the Watchtower Jan 1st 1994 it staed “let no distinct worship be rendered unto Jesus Christ now glorified in heaven”
That does not go down well with me, however
you have your opinion.
One thing for sure we both agree that islam is a cancer on this earth and needs to be eradicated.
I rejected JW, twenty years ago when I read one of their magazines. I have read a lot more of their material since because I live by an art of war rule..’Know your enemy!’
They claim they are Christians- my one hour conversation with them was to table Islam – test them and check their response. Based upon their answers I wrote them off as dim-witted losers; Islam will wipe them out.
Don’t the JW’s believe they are the only people who will be saved?
Islamophobe,
Yes I believe that is correct; JW’s are by their fixations actually vain in their thinking; but they do not recognise that reality. That is the danger of any fixed dogma; we don’t have to walk away from our beliefs but if we cannot live with open mind and understand opposing points of view we are in trouble. We have seen plenty of amazing photographs of planet earth taken from space. But only an astronaut in space looking at the planet can truly sense the awe of the experience. To have a vague understanding of the astronaught’s experience we must try to look at the picture from his or hers point of view.
JWs are not Christians. When I was a kid we had a Jewish neighbor who had her own way of dealing with these pests. She would pull out a little American flag and direct them to salute it or get the hell off her property.
One fundamental mistake in your comments. JWs are not Christians. They do not acknowledge the deity of Christ and they have a “purpose translated” version of the bible to support their position. Let me put it this way, if they are “Christians” then the rest of the churches are not.
They are a cult of around 150 years old. Not in anyway orthodox.
They cravenly refused to fight the Nazis in Germany and will not involve themselves in any kind of war.
Many members have and continue to die due to their refusal to accept blood transfusions (including defenseless children)
Their path to salvation is no different to the Muzzies… that is… nonexistent.
NDFM,
My words said… “They claim they are Christians” Your words said…”One fundamental mistake in your comments. JWs are not Christians.”
I didn’t say that JW’s were Christians. But they do believe in the Bible, in Jesus and salvation. The challenge is agreeing or disagreeing with their beliefs. I reject their thinking. I condemn their refusal to give blood transfusions. And I condemn their refusal to fight in battle against evil. And I am disgusted by their refusal to fight Islam; JW’s will not fight physically but also they will not fight academically against Islam. As patriots against a common enemy they cannot be trusted.
Allan, I think that’s enough of the JW debate at this site. Please finish it.
BNI,
Agreed, I apologise, I should have let the subject drop. I am simply feeling frustrated by the high level of apathy I am observing. As it stands right now- Islam is winning in Australia.
That’s OK Allan, I understand.
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They replied they will not read the Koran, the will not fight- that it is wrong to kill.
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The point’s well taken, and most Christians, like most Muslims, would not raise their hands and fight.
Most are unwilling to die for their faiths (in spite of what they boast).
But here in the West, much more than faith is on the line.
If you resist Islam in every sense, and you survive, you have secured freedom and individual integrity.
You have a soul to save.
But if you submit to Islam, you die every single day, profane the true God five times every day, and curse humanity itself every time you invoke your “god.”
It is better to fight and die once, than to die for the rest of your life.
It is better to fight because only a soul that lives in the light of Christ may be saved from sin.
Firsly you brainless shallow minded I am a proud Christian from the Middle East and non of your crap in this Vidoe apply to me, if you want to bet lets have a face to face debate amigo, you know something, personally you are the last person in this World I expect to speak in defense of Christians, wonder if someone has bribed you in turning against Muslims, finally I wasn’t impressed by your crap but anyway try your best next time…good luck.
What are you really trying to say, Noah?
Are Christians supposed to kill anyone of differing oponion, as filthy muslims do ?
Why should Condell not defend Christians ?
I don’t think you clearly expressed your opinion.
That’s strange, a “Christian from the Middle East” who is concerned that Condell has been “bribed” to turn “against Muslims”. I call shenanigans, I see a lying muslime trying to defend pisslam.
Everyone sees through your crap infused paranoid rantings: “bribed you in turning against Muslims…” is pure, 100%, unadulterated, typical muslim supremacist paranoid bullshi’ite.
Good luck or what? You and your fellow “CHristians” will kill him?
What is it with you bronze age assholes thinking that pretending to be anything but the muslim supremacists you are adds validity to your typical muslim supremacist rantings? What psychology is this?
We can all see through the lies and know that you are not Christian and all you have succeeded in doing is confirm that we are right when we say that muslim supremacists are lying, paranoid, ass backwards, bronze age lunatics.
I usually refer to muslimes as Iron Age loonatics. I believe MuhamMAD was born much later than the Bronze Age, if he existed at all (and Robert Spencer has some convincing arguments that he didn’t).
For the first time, I know of, Pat Condell spoke about something so sensitive so well.
It is surprising how “tame” the Christianity reacts to the Muslim take-over of their countries -Rome, the Pope never speaks out loudly enough to be heard – the Greek Orthodox Church never does, understandably not in Russia, the Copts living in the “free” world?? It is not Prs. Obama only who doesn’t accuse the Muslims and defend the Christians it’s THE CHRISTIAN WORLD!!!! If Israel were to hand-over the Christian sights in Jerusalem what would happen then??? more of the same.
Isn’t it time for Christians, wherever they live, to rise??
Yes it is time for Christians to unite and rise up against Islam. I cannot speak for the rest of the world but in Australia only a small percentage of Christians will stand up against Islam. At this point of time over 80% of Australian Christians refuse to unite and oppose Islam. I pray that negative mentality changes.
Pat you may think this Nation is dhimmized, but, you are wrong, very wrong, just your opinion, not ours, never will be. This so called pResident, is not the legitimate representative of We the Patriots, not by a long shot. Be very assured, if he is by hook or crook elected to a second term, you and many others around this world are going to be watching in HORROR of what will happen to all of his followers. We are at a turning point of slavery vrs. freedom, spiritual evil vrs. Godly way of life. Some of us take offense of your insuniation of us being dhimmi’s, i.e slaves to the State/religion of satan, islam, but, not to worry. I want, no expect to see you and your on the front lines when all hell breaks lose, because of all nasty bitter shit coming from a posuer, a pretender, nay a liar-n-thief of this Republic’s trust, the fan is being warmed up as you declare us dhimmi’s, of the kind of shit no one wants or expects, and why, because we are not dhimmi’s as you say. WE, the few, the Patriotic, the responsible, tax paying, hard working, bitter clingers of our Faith, Christian believers of God the Almighty, not ali-aliah, i.e. satan, who cling to our tools and trust in the Lord are going to be calling out all of this wickedness in all of it’s worldly underpinnings to account, even you Pat, a denier of said God is going to be placed into a very uncomfortable position of having to defend yourself and yours, and remember Pat, there are no atheist in spiderholes-period.
Semper Fi disobedience to tyrants is obedience to GOD
It is pretty sad when a man, who has such a low opinion of the belief in Christ, is probably the most vocal and more heard proponent of the call to muslims to stop killing Christians. Does anyone ever hear Obama talk about muslims killing Christians? Hell no, and that is because Obama is a muslim – he’s no dhimmi….he is raping the U.S. blind, increasing her debt and making her enemies rich.
Sure Pat does not share the same beliefs as Christians, but he supports their right to live in peace, which is more than I can say for most of the left who are silent and dumb as all hell.
Allan P., you are mistaken if you believe Christians will not fight – Christians have always fought and let’s remember, God is our Protector and with God there is no need of massive armies, just Him. Christ will return and his angels will slaughter those who come up against us – we will be burying the dead for months.
Yes I believe many Christians will fight; but so far the majority will not fight. I have seen evidence of Christian Leaders trying to make friends with Muslims. And I have talked to many Australian Christians about Islam and they did not want to know about Islam; nor do they want to oppose Islam. The good news is that there are some Christian leaders opposing Islam. The bad news there are not yet enough of them united against Islam. The Christian Crusaders were not afraid to fight. What has changed?
I know a Methodist who was made a pariah at his church for challenging the lies a muslime was spewing to his congregation in a muslime outreach program. I believe he is no longer a practicing Methodist for this VERY reason.
I used to teach at a Catholic college — until I got so fed up w/listening to the lies vomited forth by their resident muslime swine at their annual convocations I quit.
As an atheist, Condell doesn’t have the platform from which to critique Islam as a religion. He can only critique it in terms of savagery and civilization, and he knows it.
As Christians, or as religious people, we can critique Islam in religious terms– we can call it profane, demonic, and evil.
The atheists can only go after the effects of Islam.
Religious people, and in particular, Christians and Jews, can put a knife to its very heart.
Just got through watching this video on the YT channel; I posted a comment using terms that I am limited in my usage here. I was informed my comment would be held for approval, but surprisingly it was posted!! I’ll say as I have elsewhere; Obama IS NOT “Christian”, he pretends to be when he believes it is politically expedient! He will play whatever role he thinks necessary at any given time, being the lying SOB politician that he is!!
How do we Americans get rid of hillary clinton? Getting obummer reid , polossi and holder out of the white house is going to take all American citizens to come together and say,”" are cleaning house and you are out of politics!!! we have to eliminate these non people!Or we will be under islamic rule!!!
Well since when this Atheist Old Fart ever defended Christianity rights!? all I know about this crappy stinky foul mouth is attack after attack on Christianity, I really feel sorry for his neighbors, and those who associate with him, how in the name of God they bare his stinky mouth, Pat nice try but wise guy it did not work, not convinced cause I know your background and your views about Christians, so please spare us your Hypocrisy and stick with your Atheism please.
For Condell, there is nothing sacred and nothing profane.
His insults are, as such, meaningless.
You should hear them for what they are and not get so worked up.
I do believe his comments are a hundred times more meaningful than yours. He is doing what you should be doing, unless your a mohammedan.
This is what Americans get when people such as Obama, Hillary and Janet surround themselves with radical muslims. Quite sad.
wanna see something strange? Check out Obama’s Facebook page. and look at the doctored image of ann dunham. if you look at her arm (around Obama’s waist) he arm is white but her hand is Black!!!!!!!!!
saw in on World Net Daily. check it out before the image is taken down.
drag, I saw that and it easily could have been photoshopped. Sometimes WND does a poor job of checking things out.
Wow, a moral atheist, what a rarity. I’m surprised he has been arrested by his corrupt government for insulting islam or some such BS.
I still remember when he advocated giving Yerushalem to the muslime apes, although I heard he later recanted this position.
Thanks for posting this BNI, you are the best!
Iphobe, yes, he did recant it and also apologized for having been so wrong.
The amoral, atheist liberals may not mind muslims slaughtering/raping/persecuting Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews and Bahais now, but just wait ’til its their turn and it will be. Try preaching atheism publicly in ANY muslim state atheist dirtbags, see what it gets you.
As one of many Atheist that supports Christians and Jews when we have common cause I find your comments insulting and foolish.
Are you amoral? BTW, I personally know amoral atheist assholes who have stated they’re happy the muslo-nazi pigs are killing Christians.
I would assume, you hardcore bible thumpers (who are just as dangerous as ass lifters) would consider him “moral” as he just stated he *SUPPORTS CHRISTIANS AND JEWS.*
You numbnuts are too far up your own asses to understand those musloid loving atheists you call “amoral” are first and foremost commies/socialists/marxists. They have an agenda.
Yet here you are attacking us “amoral” unbeliever, heathens who would die to protect you and your rights simply because we don’t share your sky monster delusions.
*THAT* attitude is WHY those leftist atheists with an agenda are winning. You asshats scare, berate, abuse, and deride people without an agenda who simply don’t believe but who would stand with you AWAY from your side. Who the f*ck wants to stand with people who bash them at every turn?
Jackass.
I’m a “Bible thumper,” with many atheist friends and family members who are very moral people. I’ve always enjoyed reading your posts IC, but have to say that I’m perplexed by your attack on ALL Christians. Also, as a Christian I love the Jewish people, and believe that they are God’s chosen people, and would never do anything to harm a Jew, atheist, Buddhist, etc. My issue is with Islam and the Obama administration. I resent being referred to as an “asshat.” If you have an issue with a specific person, you should limit your insults to that specific individual.
Cranky,
I was not attacking all Christians. I was attacking the two on here who are attacking atheists who have stated over and over they stand with the Christians. The asshat was aimed at and replied to the asshats who accused an atheist of being “amoral” after he stated he stands with Christians, and the one who stated that atheists celebrate attacks on Christians.
I even made mention of the fact that none of the other Christians on here have so viciously attacked atheists.
You are not a Bible thumper, Cranky. A Bible thumper is one who attacks, berates, belittles, and condemns those who believe differently while hiding behind the Bible. You’ve never done that.
I’m sorry that you felt my anger was aimed at you or any of the other regular Christian posters on here. It most definitely was not. I should have been more clear at whom I was responding to.
I guess I misunderstood…no hard feelings. I believe in God/Jesus, but respect your right to believe or disbelieve. I respect the rights of anybody to believe whatever they want UNLESS they try to impose those beliefs on others and/or harm others because of those beliefs. Hence, my aversion to all things Islamic.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Let’s all cry for the atheists who regularly denigrate all religions save Pisslam (e.g. Bill Maher, Jon Stuart, Rachel Maddow, Rosie O’Donnel et-fucking-cetera), because it’s just easier that way.
Iphobe, you are wrong about Maher, he is THE most outspoken opponent of Islam in the leftie world. Just enter “Bill Maher” into the Search box here and see for yourself.
1st assumption and ad-hom: I’m a bible thumper
2nd assumption: I denigrate Condell for the mere fact of being an atheist (when, in fact I supported his position)
Are you trying to tell me leftist atheists
are, in fact, moral in any positive sense of that word?
How many atheists ever publicly protest the rape/slaughter/persecution of people of other faiths? Because all I hear/see/read are brain-dead atheists telling me all religions are the same — ad nauseum.
And with that I’m out, BNI.
The super hateful Jesus freaks are running this tinpot show. I don’t want to be around if they’re in charge once the muslim supremacists are rousted out.
Just watch your back, Bonni. Those morons will turn on you because you’re a Jewess when the time is right for them.
IC, I try to stay out of arguments between atheists and Christians.
I am an atheist. So when they start screaming about all the “amoral atheists” and burning them at the stake they’re talking about me.
When they accuse atheists of being in bed with the muslim supremacists, they’re accusing me.
They alienate not just the atheists but the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and in some cases Jews as well.
Not all of them, but a few in particular, have been taking pot shots at atheists on this thread. Atheists that staunchly defend Christians.
They want to take on the muslim supremacists alone, fine. I leave them to it but I’m not a glutton for punishment.
Did I ever state one could not be moral AND
an atheist?
The biggest cowards on network television are atheists. They whine and bitch and complain about Christianity while the muslimes are busily slaughtering and raping people all over the world.
“Staunchly defend” Huh? All I see/read/hear are atheists trying to tell me that Christianity is “just as bad” as pisslam.
Bill Maher’s mild criticism of pisslam is nothing in comparison to his vitriolic criticism of Christianity. Once again who the f*(k gave you the right to call me Christian?
How do you know I don’t worship Norse gods?
All you hear are atheists blah, blah, blah.
Not on here.
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU to imply that jfp, who’s never said anything denigrating about Christians or Christianity is “amoral?” Or that he believes “Christianity is as bad as islam,” or that he criticizes Christianity when he explicitly said he stands with Christians?
And, yes, many of us DO defend Christianity and appreciate living in the Judeo-Christian West because of the contributions to our culture.
But, no, you don’t believe that. Instead you have done nothing but attack us along with commie scum like O’Donnel.
YOU’RE the one who made assumptions by not even listening to what we were saying and assuming we believe “Christianity is as bad as islam.” From jfp’s statement that is highly doubtful and I have never made such a statement in my life.
So, Tyr worshiper, YOU wrought the accusation of “bible-thumper” upon yourself by aiming your loathing of leftarded atheist aholes at those of us who share NOTHING in common with them other than a lack of belief. A loathing, which I’ve only seen in musloids toward all things non-musloid, and in those anal retentive, high and mighty, anything but Christ-like faux Christians towards anything not deemed as faux Christian as themselves.
Where did I accuse JfP of being
amoral? I indict amoral atheists
for their equivocation that all
religions are the same.
So, I accused myself of being
a “bible thumper”?
I apologize to anyone atheist, if
I implied all atheists were amoral.
BTW, I do respect atheists like
Wafa Sultan, Aayan Hirsi,
Oriana Fallaci, Pat Condell.
Interesting. Netanyahu publicly thanked Christians for supporting Israel. Has he done the same for atheists? And who the hell are you to tell me I’m Christian?
Ip and Ic, let’s keep this civil. WE are all on the same side.
Pat Condell is no friend of the Christians. Any Christian who promotes Condell needs to do some soul searching and meditate with God. I could care less if he’s right about islam. So are the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc. Big deal. That doesn’t make any of them any less deceived.
I tried to listen, I promise. But, I stopped the video @25 seconds in. Condell is not on the side of Christians, he’s simply a demon battling against another demon for ultimate supremacy over the devils world.
Those who are not against us, are for us. Christ said that.
Again, any Christian can clearly see that people like Pat Condell are against Christians. It just so happens anyone can see that islam is the biggest world-wide threat to individual freedom’s. If islam were to become extinct, the Pat Condell’s of he world would turn their sights on Christians (as most Atheists are currently doing).
The way I look at is; the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
In saying that, I am a huge fan of Pat’s.
You are way off base here.
I am an atheist, who’s not liberal, and I have been spit on and threatened by atheists while protesting their demands to remove nativity scenes.
Condell, like me, does not attack Christians. Nor does he advocate attacking Christians. He attacks religion. I dare sa he, like myself, would stand in defense of CHristians, if any group were to physically attack them.
You’re confusing atheists who love Western civilization for its freedoms and simply don’t believe with the communist/marxist/socialist scum who are atheists who DO attack Christians and Western civilization.
They are always in bed with musloids because the musloids are just as hell bent on destroying Western civilization and Christianity as they are. The rest of us were not attacking Christians or your beliefs before islam started to slither into the West and we certainly won’t attack you after we roust islam out of the West.
I have followed both secular and religious philosophies through my life, but more and more I appreciate the contribution of organized Christianity (with the exception of some sects such as Anglicans’ and Presbyterians’s official policies which have become jihadi apologists).
Catholicism – I’ll ignore the catcalls – being the world oldest institution, has a moral consistency unlike any other organization, and it offers a certain stability which is absent everywhere else these days.
Pat does acknowledge the value system from Christianity of which all of us are heirs. At the same time he does not support it as “organized” religion. What he fails to realize is that, by removing the structure, the value system WILL disappear as it morphs into something else (“anything goes” in a moral relativistic environment).
The value system will have no anchor, and it will drift in whatever direction the winds of political and social expediency blow.
And THAT is the real danger: removing the glue which stabilizes our value system, and yet very few can see this coming.
I don’t mind Pat Condell criticising any faith. If your faith can’t take criticism that’s your problem, not his. It’s called free speech. We have to support it, even if we don’t like it, otherwise we’re no better than the islamonazi apes.
There are other amoral atheists who couldn’t care less when muslimes slaughter/rape/persecute non-muslimes. They actually consider it a good thing. Condell is the only atheist I’ve ever heard who has sympathy for the victims of islamonazism.
True Grit,
Pat Condell is atheist and he does not believe in Christianity; but if you had bothered to listen to the entire video he attacked Islam and defended Christians. Just because he rejects the Christian belief system does not mean that he does not support Christians against Islam.
I was raised as a Christian and I am now highly educated on a huge range of non-Christian subjects. And I have learned over the years that the weakness of most Christians with some exceptions is that they refuse to read non-Christian books. That is why every Christian I have met in Australia, thousands in fact, have not read the Koran and do not know their enemy. Most Australian Christians will not stand up against Islam. Any person be they Christian or not that refuses to rise from the ashes of ignorance and refuses to learn about the dark side shall be destroyed by the dark side. Only those people that upgrade their knowledge on all subjects, even when they disagree with what they are reading, only those people shall stop the darkness from spreading. Without education Islam shall win. Ignorance and apathy is our first enemy.
Allan, I like Condell even before he changed his opinion (to the right one) on the Palestinian-Israeli issue. Just because we disagree with him on some issues, we should still embrace his magnificent efforts to offend and outrage the entire muslim world.
BNI,
I agree I like Condell, his sarcastic style is entertaining and brings us to attention to the status of ‘Must Listen’ If all Christians talked like Condell against Islam we would defeat this 7th Century dangerous mob. I was raised as a Christian and for that reason I have a right to criticise Christians that refuse to oppose Islam. I am not Theist, Deist, or Atheist.
Allan, I have yet to get a Koran but I receive info from leftist groups in order to stay informed about what they are up to.
I chuckle when I look at a document called Islamophobia written by Center for American Progress. I like the way they have named and categorized their opponents. For example Michelle Bachmann is labeled a political player and Bridgette Gabriel an activist, and Frank Gaffney a scholar, etc.
I confess that I have a short attention span when reading any false religious text, or anything untrue for that matter.
Uncle,
Don’t buy a qur’an just enter quran.com on your computer. I had some of my Lebanese and Egyptian Christians friends check it out and they say it is not a white washed edition.
It’s good to have it on my computer, as it allows me to check things out that I have read.
Mapleleaf: Your advice id good and may save people some money and cut profits to the filthy muslims. But how can you burn a Queeran if you don’t have one to burn.
Computers are hard to light and sometimes refuse to support combustion.
I think some of Condells sarcasm may have rubbed off.
I always direct people to quran.com as well because it’s a muslim supremacist site, by muslim supremacists, for muslim supremacists. They can get the dope straight from the horse’s ass and can’t scream “that’s from a biased anti-muslim site!”
However, being a muslim supremacist site it does have the muslim supremacists go to fool the kaffir translation: sahih internationa.
Have your Arabic speaking friends check out the “sahih international” translation.
muslim supremacists, when caught in their lies about what’s in mein kuranmpf, scream that you must use “authentic sahih international translation!”
Sahih international was translated by three non-native Arabic speaking American traitors who converted. It was bankrolled by: Soddy Barbaria.
http://www.saheehinternational.com/
It should be noted that this bamboozle the kaffir translation is the one that’s most commonly handed out by dawa taqiyya spewing aholes.
It is a modern construct by non-native Arabic speakers, but is allegedly the “most authentic” translation.
Yet not a peep out of the islamic supremacists about how all those poor, poor muslims, for 1400 years, were reading, non-authentic, inferior translations.
I always suggest to non-muslims, who are on the fence and have been confronted with the usual “must read in arabic,” and “must read authentic translation” nonsense, to do just that: read one of the “non-authentic” translations that the muslim supremacists had no problem with before the fool the kaffir translation. BUT, they should read it alongside the sahih translation translation AND tafsir. That way they can see it for the convoluted bullshi’ite it really is.
Tafsir comes off as a rambling morass when read in conjunction with the sahih translation. It illustrates the egregious contortions and lies muslim supremacists go through to lie about mein kuranmpf.
They should also be encouraged to read it in more than one language if they are fluent in other languages just to highlight that this modern construct written by non-native Arabic speakers called sahih international, is choppy, clunky and vastly different than older translations written by actual native Arabic speakers.
Also, if you can, try to get your hands on one of the earlier translations of the fool the kaffir edition and compare it to a newer version. Much has changed as the muslim supremacists get caught in their lies and do more white washing of it.
One of the members of my ACT for America chapter pointed out to me that the USC website that purports to have translations of islamic texts had been whitewashing them.
Is deliberately mis-translating the holey texts of pisslam covered by the provisions of taqiyya (to absolve you of being a bad muslime for doing so)?
Uncle,
Is this document available on the net? I would like to read it; The Koran is a boring dry read book, I had to force myself to read it three times, three differnt translations. After reading Dawood version I had to read other versions to see if what he wrote was true. The translation by an Arab is the hardest to read. Choice of words varied, but meaning and intent was the same.
It is good that you are reading other information that tables the dark truth about Islam. Before I retired I owned a 200 square metre bookshop in a Christian dominated town called Grafton in NSW Australia. As a test run I create a series of A4 slides with large type and photographs publishing the dark truth about Islam. The display was approx. 3 feet high by four feet wide. Below the display were books about Islam, including the rare to Australia book ‘The Roots Of Jihad’ by Muslim whistleblower Dr. Tawfix Hamid. I left the display there for 6 months. I discovered that 99% of Christians that came into the shop were not interested in learning about Islam, and most only glanced and refused to read the large font size slides of information. Books about the dark truth of Islam were slow to sell. Christian books were also difficult to sell in a major Christian town. To my suprise my best sellers were ‘New Age’ and ‘Buddhism’ books- I don’t understand the negative thinking of Christians. They want Christianity but won’t fight to protect it by increasing their education about the opposition.
One day in 2007 a tall man of Arabic background asked me about the name of author on the Islam slideshow. He said who is Allan Ivarsson? I replied “That’s me.” He responded and shook my hand and said, “Excellent.” That was a gift of encouragement to keep opposing Islam.
I’ve tried reading the quran, and I’ve also tried reading Mein Kampf.
Of the two, Mein Kampf is the more coherent, more sensical (as in one can make sense of it) read, and the LESS satanic of the two.
D S Dunlop,
I agree Mein Kampf is easier to read; though Hitler was still an evil man. The strange part about Hitler’s life is that as a young teenager he did not know the word Jew. He was taught anti-Jew thinking by evil adult mentors. Those teachers are the real culprits behind the holocaust; because they taught hate of the Jews.
Oh, I don’t deny that Hitler was as evil as Mohammed. I am only saying that even Hitler was a better writer and more coherent excuse for a human being than was Mohammed.
Oh, and though I don’t usually harp on typos, the name is D S DunlAp, not Op…
D S Dunlap,
My apology for typo; there is no excuse for error.
Best Wishes,
Allan
How can I get a hold of a unholy Quran? I’d like to do it without compromising my anonymity if possible (not so much for myself, as for the people I have to care for).
I’d like to get one for New Year’s Eve and burn it or put it in the urinal of a local bar. It has to be cheap.
Spot on friend. Ditto’s!
I jump on them for the same thing! SELF IMPOSED IGNORANCE.
TrueGrit: One of the greatest failings of Christians seems to be that they have far too thin a skin. I think and thought that Christianity was tolerant of other beliefs that were not murderous masquerades called religions, as islam is. Other beliefs and opinions are OK as long as they are not forced upon Christians or anyone else. Everyone should be free to worship or not to worship as they choose. Like was stated in Viet Nam, let God sort ‘em out.
Condell can be an agnostic or an atheist if he wants to be. Listen to the message he delivers so well. Don’t kill the messenger.
Don’t get your shorts in a knot because he speaks opinions which differ from yours.
He is free to do so as are you.
Just saying.
I disagree with him on Christianity, but he’s spot on about Islam.
@ true grit
Opinions are the fabric of a free society.You sound as secular as any imam from iran.
dagawker,
Well said – I agree.
I find it quite amusing that you attack someone who speaks out for you.
@ True grit
Please refer to the story that is posted above this one.
I guess not many people got that pat Condell was being sarcastic.
Odd how Pat feels such an obligation to include sideswipes at the mortally persecuted Christians even now. I don’t think they need to be sneered at particularly at present.
And despite his professed ‘atheism’ Pat manages to be a darn site more of a Christian than for instance … the so called Archbishop of Canterbury, to name but one of many cowardly church ‘leaders’.
In fact I don’t find Pat’s ‘atheist’ badge convincing at all, and I don’t give a damn what he thinks about that, either.
Interesting thought. Being an atheist definitely makes criticising pisslam easier, because then the opposition can’t as easily resort to tu quoque arguments.
Last Monday, two Christians Jehovah’s Witnesses came to my door. One was a young man in early twenties the other man was in his early forties. I told them that I had read their works during last 20 years whilst I lived in Sydney and I had purchased off them 4 volumes of their annual books to study. I said I knew what they teach and that I did not need anymore readings. Then I spent an hour with them telling them about Islam. I told them that if all Christians do not unite Islam shall wipe them out. I explained that if there are no Christians left how shall new generations know the bible or Jesus. They shall not because no bibles or Christian teachers shall exist. The new generations shall only know Islam. True History will have died. I told these Christians to read the Koran learn their enemy and go back and unite all Christians against Islam. They replied they will not read the Koran, the will not fight- that it is wrong to kill. And if they are killed they shall be with the lord. Then I said goodbye and knew Christianity shall be wiped out by Islam. Simply because the majority of Christians will not fight. Today’s Christians do not have the courage of the ancient crusaders. Any person that defends Christianity and refuses to stand up against Islam is not a true to his Christian beliefs. Jesus taught turn the other cheek and walk an extra mile but he did not teach they we should submit to evil. We do have the natural right to defend ourselves with whatever degree of force is necessary. Those that refuse to fight- get what they deserve.
I agree. Those that will not fight to save their God in this country are not true Christians.
A few hours before Jesus was arrested, he said to all his apostles, “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” (Luke 22:36)
Since Jesus told his followers to buy swords and never changed that command, there’s no reason to believe that things should be different today. We need to be willing and able to protect ourselves and our society.
More evidence that God expects us to fight for what is right in today’s world is in Philippians 2:25 and Philemon 2, Paul refers to another Christian as a “fellow soldier.”
If and when the spiritual battle escalates into the physical to the point that an evil person (or a nation of them) is going to physically harm us, the Scripture’s message is clear: With God’s help, fight back and prevail!
Throughout Scripture God defines and encourages three kinds of killing that are justified and often necessary: 1) self-defense; 2) society-defense (execution of criminals); 3) national self-defense, which we call war. All three apply to Islam.
When the only way to have peace is war, we must destroy Satan (Islam) and all its allies. In the battle between good and evil, on the side of good there is God and his armies, both angels and humans. On the side of evil are the Devil, his demons, and the people who knowingly or unknowingly side with him (Muslims). The Bible says that God is a warrior. “The LORD is a man of war” (Exod. 15:3, KJV).
“Turn the other cheek,” to me, means forgive your enemies only if they stop their evil ways. If they don’t, fight them.
There is no way God wants us to replace Him with Mohammed.
Some Christian sects misinterpret the Bible. God warns us of false prophets.
Barbara,
Thank you for the reminder information of texts in the Bible.
Thank you for the info, as I was listening to PAt, I suddenly went “blank” to the references needed to counter this arguement. Thank you for shining the light of the truth we, as Christians, the followers of the Christ redeemer to all. Semper Fi.
Allan,
I hope you are not implying that Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christians.
In the Watchtower Jan 1st 1994 it staed “let no distinct worship be rendered unto Jesus Christ now glorified in heaven”
That does not go down well with me, however
you have your opinion.
One thing for sure we both agree that islam is a cancer on this earth and needs to be eradicated.
Mapleleaf,
I rejected JW, twenty years ago when I read one of their magazines. I have read a lot more of their material since because I live by an art of war rule..’Know your enemy!’
They claim they are Christians- my one hour conversation with them was to table Islam – test them and check their response. Based upon their answers I wrote them off as dim-witted losers; Islam will wipe them out.
Don’t the JW’s believe they are the only people who will be saved?
Islamophobe,
Yes I believe that is correct; JW’s are by their fixations actually vain in their thinking; but they do not recognise that reality. That is the danger of any fixed dogma; we don’t have to walk away from our beliefs but if we cannot live with open mind and understand opposing points of view we are in trouble. We have seen plenty of amazing photographs of planet earth taken from space. But only an astronaut in space looking at the planet can truly sense the awe of the experience. To have a vague understanding of the astronaught’s experience we must try to look at the picture from his or hers point of view.
JWs are not Christians. When I was a kid we had a Jewish neighbor who had her own way of dealing with these pests. She would pull out a little American flag and direct them to salute it or get the hell off her property.
Lord Kabigon,
She was a clever lady.
One fundamental mistake in your comments. JWs are not Christians. They do not acknowledge the deity of Christ and they have a “purpose translated” version of the bible to support their position. Let me put it this way, if they are “Christians” then the rest of the churches are not.
They are a cult of around 150 years old. Not in anyway orthodox.
They cravenly refused to fight the Nazis in Germany and will not involve themselves in any kind of war.
Many members have and continue to die due to their refusal to accept blood transfusions (including defenseless children)
Their path to salvation is no different to the Muzzies… that is… nonexistent.
NDFM,
My words said… “They claim they are Christians” Your words said…”One fundamental mistake in your comments. JWs are not Christians.”
I didn’t say that JW’s were Christians. But they do believe in the Bible, in Jesus and salvation. The challenge is agreeing or disagreeing with their beliefs. I reject their thinking. I condemn their refusal to give blood transfusions. And I condemn their refusal to fight in battle against evil. And I am disgusted by their refusal to fight Islam; JW’s will not fight physically but also they will not fight academically against Islam. As patriots against a common enemy they cannot be trusted.
Allan, I think that’s enough of the JW debate at this site. Please finish it.
BNI,
Agreed, I apologise, I should have let the subject drop. I am simply feeling frustrated by the high level of apathy I am observing. As it stands right now- Islam is winning in Australia.
That’s OK Allan, I understand.
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They replied they will not read the Koran, the will not fight- that it is wrong to kill.
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The point’s well taken, and most Christians, like most Muslims, would not raise their hands and fight.
Most are unwilling to die for their faiths (in spite of what they boast).
But here in the West, much more than faith is on the line.
If you resist Islam in every sense, and you survive, you have secured freedom and individual integrity.
You have a soul to save.
But if you submit to Islam, you die every single day, profane the true God five times every day, and curse humanity itself every time you invoke your “god.”
It is better to fight and die once, than to die for the rest of your life.
It is better to fight because only a soul that lives in the light of Christ may be saved from sin.
eib,
Agreed.
the 6th pillar of islam is murder. all momo ever brought to our planet is misery.
the israeli victims from the bulgarian attack are laid to rest. one lady was pregnant for the first time at the age of 44!
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/158080#.UAoHFqDpqBM
Dear so called Condle
Firsly you brainless shallow minded I am a proud Christian from the Middle East and non of your crap in this Vidoe apply to me, if you want to bet lets have a face to face debate amigo, you know something, personally you are the last person in this World I expect to speak in defense of Christians, wonder if someone has bribed you in turning against Muslims, finally I wasn’t impressed by your crap but anyway try your best next time…good luck.
What are you really trying to say, Noah?
Are Christians supposed to kill anyone of differing oponion, as filthy muslims do ?
Why should Condell not defend Christians ?
I don’t think you clearly expressed your opinion.
That’s strange, a “Christian from the Middle East” who is concerned that Condell has been “bribed” to turn “against Muslims”. I call shenanigans, I see a lying muslime trying to defend pisslam.
Dear so called “middle eastern Christian.”
Everyone sees through your crap infused paranoid rantings: “bribed you in turning against Muslims…” is pure, 100%, unadulterated, typical muslim supremacist paranoid bullshi’ite.
Good luck or what? You and your fellow “CHristians” will kill him?
What is it with you bronze age assholes thinking that pretending to be anything but the muslim supremacists you are adds validity to your typical muslim supremacist rantings? What psychology is this?
We can all see through the lies and know that you are not Christian and all you have succeeded in doing is confirm that we are right when we say that muslim supremacists are lying, paranoid, ass backwards, bronze age lunatics.
I usually refer to muslimes as Iron Age loonatics. I believe MuhamMAD was born much later than the Bronze Age, if he existed at all (and Robert Spencer has some convincing arguments that he didn’t).
For the first time, I know of, Pat Condell spoke about something so sensitive so well.
It is surprising how “tame” the Christianity reacts to the Muslim take-over of their countries -Rome, the Pope never speaks out loudly enough to be heard – the Greek Orthodox Church never does, understandably not in Russia, the Copts living in the “free” world?? It is not Prs. Obama only who doesn’t accuse the Muslims and defend the Christians it’s THE CHRISTIAN WORLD!!!! If Israel were to hand-over the Christian sights in Jerusalem what would happen then??? more of the same.
Isn’t it time for Christians, wherever they live, to rise??
Anny Matar,
Yes it is time for Christians to unite and rise up against Islam. I cannot speak for the rest of the world but in Australia only a small percentage of Christians will stand up against Islam. At this point of time over 80% of Australian Christians refuse to unite and oppose Islam. I pray that negative mentality changes.
Pat you may think this Nation is dhimmized, but, you are wrong, very wrong, just your opinion, not ours, never will be. This so called pResident, is not the legitimate representative of We the Patriots, not by a long shot. Be very assured, if he is by hook or crook elected to a second term, you and many others around this world are going to be watching in HORROR of what will happen to all of his followers. We are at a turning point of slavery vrs. freedom, spiritual evil vrs. Godly way of life. Some of us take offense of your insuniation of us being dhimmi’s, i.e slaves to the State/religion of satan, islam, but, not to worry. I want, no expect to see you and your on the front lines when all hell breaks lose, because of all nasty bitter shit coming from a posuer, a pretender, nay a liar-n-thief of this Republic’s trust, the fan is being warmed up as you declare us dhimmi’s, of the kind of shit no one wants or expects, and why, because we are not dhimmi’s as you say. WE, the few, the Patriotic, the responsible, tax paying, hard working, bitter clingers of our Faith, Christian believers of God the Almighty, not ali-aliah, i.e. satan, who cling to our tools and trust in the Lord are going to be calling out all of this wickedness in all of it’s worldly underpinnings to account, even you Pat, a denier of said God is going to be placed into a very uncomfortable position of having to defend yourself and yours, and remember Pat, there are no atheist in spiderholes-period.
Semper Fi disobedience to tyrants is obedience to GOD
It is pretty sad when a man, who has such a low opinion of the belief in Christ, is probably the most vocal and more heard proponent of the call to muslims to stop killing Christians. Does anyone ever hear Obama talk about muslims killing Christians? Hell no, and that is because Obama is a muslim – he’s no dhimmi….he is raping the U.S. blind, increasing her debt and making her enemies rich.
Sure, Pat
Sure Pat does not share the same beliefs as Christians, but he supports their right to live in peace, which is more than I can say for most of the left who are silent and dumb as all hell.
Allan P., you are mistaken if you believe Christians will not fight – Christians have always fought and let’s remember, God is our Protector and with God there is no need of massive armies, just Him. Christ will return and his angels will slaughter those who come up against us – we will be burying the dead for months.
Jo,
Yes I believe many Christians will fight; but so far the majority will not fight. I have seen evidence of Christian Leaders trying to make friends with Muslims. And I have talked to many Australian Christians about Islam and they did not want to know about Islam; nor do they want to oppose Islam. The good news is that there are some Christian leaders opposing Islam. The bad news there are not yet enough of them united against Islam. The Christian Crusaders were not afraid to fight. What has changed?
I know a Methodist who was made a pariah at his church for challenging the lies a muslime was spewing to his congregation in a muslime outreach program. I believe he is no longer a practicing Methodist for this VERY reason.
I used to teach at a Catholic college — until I got so fed up w/listening to the lies vomited forth by their resident muslime swine at their annual convocations I quit.
As an atheist, Condell doesn’t have the platform from which to critique Islam as a religion. He can only critique it in terms of savagery and civilization, and he knows it.
As Christians, or as religious people, we can critique Islam in religious terms– we can call it profane, demonic, and evil.
The atheists can only go after the effects of Islam.
Religious people, and in particular, Christians and Jews, can put a knife to its very heart.
Just got through watching this video on the YT channel; I posted a comment using terms that I am limited in my usage here. I was informed my comment would be held for approval, but surprisingly it was posted!! I’ll say as I have elsewhere; Obama IS NOT “Christian”, he pretends to be when he believes it is politically expedient! He will play whatever role he thinks necessary at any given time, being the lying SOB politician that he is!!
How do we Americans get rid of hillary clinton? Getting obummer reid , polossi and holder out of the white house is going to take all American citizens to come together and say,”" are cleaning house and you are out of politics!!! we have to eliminate these non people!Or we will be under islamic rule!!!
Well since when this Atheist Old Fart ever defended Christianity rights!? all I know about this crappy stinky foul mouth is attack after attack on Christianity, I really feel sorry for his neighbors, and those who associate with him, how in the name of God they bare his stinky mouth, Pat nice try but wise guy it did not work, not convinced cause I know your background and your views about Christians, so please spare us your Hypocrisy and stick with your Atheism please.
To insult him the way you do is so . . . so . . . MUSLIM!
But when Pat Condell insults Christians he does it w/style and grace huh?
For Condell, there is nothing sacred and nothing profane.
His insults are, as such, meaningless.
You should hear them for what they are and not get so worked up.
I do believe his comments are a hundred times more meaningful than yours. He is doing what you should be doing, unless your a mohammedan.