ACID ATTACKS on Muslim Women continue as Pakistan finally passes a law that would actually punish the men who do this

Only by the grace of God do some of these women survive such horrific acid attacks on them by Muslim men, often in their own families. They are not dead, but their lives are essentially over. No other Muslim man would have them. (Not exactly a bad thing)

SUN NEWS   (H/T Susan K) Memoona, 23, a survivor of an acid attack, smiles while posing for photographs at her residence in Karachi, Pakistan on December 14, 2011. Memoona says the acid attack took place on August 13, 2002, when a boy threw acid on her face and body over an old family feud. Memoona, who is currently enrolled in nursing school, said she lost her eye but not her spirit. 

The Pakistan Senate has unanimously passed two bills that impose strict punishments on those who attack women with acid. “This is milestone indeed and from now on, acid and burn attack will be officially recognized as a crime. Punishment will be increased from minimum 14 years to life term imprisonment. For the survivors who were present today in the Senate, democracy is not a myth anymore, they got justice.”

IB TIMES  Khodeza Begum (L) and her daughter Sonali attend an international conference of acid attack survivors in Dhaka, Bangladesh. Begum and Sonali were attacked with acid by a neighbour due to a land dispute in 2001. The Bangladesh chapter of the ASF states that the victims are usually young women who are attacked for refusing to accept marriage proposals, denying dowry and refusing to have sex. Robbery, family feuds, land and property disputes are some of the other reasons for acid attacks on women, a violent act often motivated by jealousy or revenge.

The crime of throwing acid on women is particularly common in South and Southeast Asian countries. The number of such incidents in these countries is much higher and, tragically, on the rise, when compared to statistics from other countries. Pakistan’s passage of these bills suggests that women of other Asian countries can look forward to similar reforms.

Mauricio Resende  “I can not think of getting married now. I could not face an abusive husband. I do not want people to pity me. Now I want to be with my own feet and earn a living. Everyone wishes he or she is beautiful but in my opinion, your face is not everything. The real beauty is inside a person, not outside. ” 

Some of the younger victims were still traumatized by the attacks. Raffat, another burn victim who was only seventeen photographed. Attacked by her own cousin after she refused to marry him, he avenged her while she was asleep, only nine days before their wedding. At first she was calm, but fragile façade broke down when we sit down to talk about the night of the attack. 

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113 comments on “ACID ATTACKS on Muslim Women continue as Pakistan finally passes a law that would actually punish the men who do this

  1. hahhahha look at this muzzrats muuuuhahahhahahhahhaha laugh rest of my life:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

  2. hahhahhahahahha hhah MUSLIM REBELS SLAUGHTER BUDDHISTS IN THAILAND: “WE WILL KILL, BURN, AND DESTROY ALL BUDDHISTS: YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO LIVE IN PEACE HERE” and you muzzrats are crying and even complaining to everybody even hillary when you hate usa and all other religions. what do you expect then?? if you hate and want to kill you will get back as you see hahhahahhahahhh aa alla wants this!!

  3. Worst website ever. I’m so sorry I came here. Was that a Christian Cross to the right? I’m so embarrassed. This is NOT what Jesus would do! This website does not represent MY Christianity, nor does it properly or fairly educate about Islam. Why can’t you radicals keep house at home and stop pointing fingers at other cultures’ choices? Again, it is great that you want to highlight the plight of victims, but by attacking their religions, you look like self-centered fools – the “Americans” most non-Americans call typical. If you can’t change the world without bashing others’ religions, you’re only adding to the problem!

    • You’re a FALSE “Christian” who doesn’t remember how Our Lord COULD be VERY ANGRY!!!

      Recall how He Excoriated the Pharisees and the Sadducees? Or how He Drove Out the money-changers from the Temple, Saying “My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.”? Or how He Even Called Peter “Satan” when the latter couldn’t believe that his Master would be Killed, Lie in the grave and Rise on the Third Day??

      Besides, I know all too well what Islam is REALLY LIKE – either you’re a pro-Moslem and/or pro-Communist shill, or you’re PROFOUNDLY IGNORANT!!!! If the latter, run immediately to http://www.thereligionofpeace.com; otherwise BEGONE with your taqiyya and kitman!!!!

      DEATH TO ISLAM!!!!!

  4. You think it’s “not exactly a bad thing” for these women that no Muslim man will have them? It’s a terrible thing for them! The vast majority of women in South Asian cultures have few options for a decent life other than marriage. Many commit suicide after becoming targets of these attacks.

    Moreover, the victims suffer more than a loss of physical beauty or desirability to men.
    Without immediate, quality medical treatment, which is often unavailable to them, many victims go blind and suffer extremely debilitating health effects.

    I think it’s a mistake to characterize acid attacks as uniquely Muslim. Acid attacks tend to occur in South Asian and African countries, some of which are predominantly Muslim. Nevertheless, Hindu and Christian men in India have also been known to use acid attacks against women. For example, this video about an abusive, alcoholic Hindu man who attacked his Hindu wife with acid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2dKx9Vcrk

    Also, look at control freak and violent psycho Danny Lynch. He arranged for an acid attack on his girlfriend of 2 weeks, Katie Piper, when she tried to break up with him after he raped her. This happened in London, and had nothing to do with religion. It was all about power and control: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/KatiePiper/secret-drives-katie-piper-boyfriend-sulfuric-acid-attack/story?id=9490538#.TvxH2lbcSqY

    Without question, acid attacks are extremely horrific. I think we all should do everything we can to combat these cowardly, heinous acts and help the victims. But associating acid attacks with any one religion and construing them as a hallmark of that religion is a mistake that obscures the actual cause: the perpetrators’ bid to gain/maintain power and control over another person.This is a human rights issue, not a religious issue.

  5. dajjal,

    I am afraid my main talent is the spreading of
    obfuscation.

    With a bit of snarkyness thrown in for flavor.

    But I genuinely wish you a very merry Christmas.

    Time, methinks, for a bit of caroling:

    Mediæval Bæbes. Well yclept.
    Z. Nelom

  6. Therese,

    You wrote: “All good points Z. Nelom. However
    I only referred to you in the firsttwo (sic) lines.
    Thereafter, I spoke to ‘D’.”

    Then you have my most sincere apologies.

    As well as my best wishes for a Merry Christmas.

    Z. Nelom

  7. Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah & happy new year to men of good will. Therese & Z. Nelom, you crystallized difficult concepts and made them clear.

    Up yer snout, CAIR, go to Hell. Jesus will convict & condemn those who blaspheme him by calling him a genocidal warlord.

  8. All good points Z. Nelom. However I only referred to you in the firsttwo lines. Thereafter, I spoke to “D”. Merry Christmas to everyone.

  9. Therese,

    *My* “fantasy world of peace”?

    If you use the word “you” to apply to me
    directly, you impute to me attitudes which
    I do not possess.

    If by “you” you refer to the people of the
    United States . . . well, Winston Churchill
    said ” Americans can always be counted on
    to do the right thing . . . after they have
    exhausted all other possibilities.” I fear that
    the Old Bulldog was correct.

    Americans do tend to leave it a bit late,
    but I doubt it will be a “run” this time.

    Gandhi’s non-violent civil disobedience
    works only against an opponent who, at
    bottom, finds slaughter abhorrent; Islam
    does not fall within that ambit.

    Whom do I love?

    I believe Bo Diddley also asked that:

    I walk 47 miles of barbed wire,
    Use a cobra snake for a neck tie;
    Got a brand new house on the roadside,
    Made out of rattlesnake hide,
    With a little bitty chimney built up on top,
    Made out of a human skulls;
    Now come, baby, take a walk with me, honey,
    And tell me, who do you love . . .

    Best wishes,
    Z. Nelom

  10. Z. Nelom, There is a lot of truth in what you say. The first General being Michael the Archangel and it was OK with God to fight the Satanic forces and send them to hell.

    So if it is religion your are coming from “D” better for you to take a second look. Jesus himself was not always passive you may remember he threw the money lenders out of the Temple. The Bankers of the day. They had to be fought, and taught to show some respect for the house of God – just as they are today. Different warriors, but still fighting evil.

    Today look what is happening with Iraq with hundreds of people being bombed again. There is no FORCE to deter them. I am glad those soldiers of yours are going home for Christmas though. It sure makes Obama’s speech the other day on the boys coming home look totally stupid.

    I hate war and I hate violence, but when we are put upon by thieves, we must stand up and be counted. Who do you love “D”? Your country, your people or your fantasy world of peace. You are the people Islam loves best. You can be easily conned, you can be fooled, and this is what they want “a roll over dead doggie society” where we just let them in and take what they want. When WW2 was taking shape in Europe people used to ask why didnt the Jews get out of there, many could not, some left their run too late and others bless their hearts were so good that they could not comprehend evil. This is you “D”. Dont leave your run too late.

  11. D,

    Two quotes:

    “Anyone who clings to the historically untrue—and thoroughly immoral—doctrine that, ‘violence never settles anything’ I would advise to conjure the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedom.”
    – Colonel DuBois, Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein

    Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
    – Joel 3:10 KJV

    Z. Nelom

  12. “D” it is so easy to see that you have never been bashed and beaten by the soldiers of Allah. I have and I will give them no mercy. As most people know I lived in an Islamic country for three years – have you lived in an Islamic country as a Christian? And as for you saying we are judging, well what the hell ar you doing to us. I suggest you try some muslim atrocities on yourself before your criticise others. It will be people like us that will probably save your neck one day, Dont talk about things you know nithing about.

  13. Does “D” stand for dumb, damned or deluded? Perhaps two out of three.
    Visit CMJE and read the Qur’an in three translations. Then read Sahih Bukhari, particularly the books of Marriage, Menstruation & Divorce. You have a great deal. to learn before criticizing others.

    I do not deny that misogyny & patriarchy are more likely artifacts of Bedouin culture than Islam, but the two travel together. Islam and tribalism can not be separated.

  14. I am so horrified by this story BUT I am even more horrified by people’s comments. Wow guys! Judge not! Many are making really harsh comments about other people’s religion. I myself am Christian and yet I will today stand by Hollis. Talking with such hatred in your hearts. You should be ashamed. Concentrate on your own salvation. God will judge you the same way you judge others. I refuse to blame an entire religion on those extremists who obviously are not following God’s way. I do not practice Islam so I cannot say that the way they believe is wrong! Wrong was done to many which is a shame but lets not forget, hate begets hate. We need not treat the guilty with such contempt. Let’s rather stand together in PEACE. Together we can make it right but it won’t work if good people such as yourselves resort to this kind of behavior…

  15. With all the rhetoric about these laws in Pakistan, they are only as good as the enforcement of them. When you have Muslim police, Courts, and a population that is far flung and many isolated in villiages. I cannot see how it would work.

    I wish it would with all my heart for these poor women. Acids attacks last for the rest of their lives. Skin glued to other parts of their bodies. Movement is restricted, and the ever present danger of infection as in most burns victims even in progressive countries with great medical care as we have in our countries. They are isolated for the rest of their lives and no one else will ever marry them. Who would ever take a chance on another Muslim husband even if it was her own choice.

  16. An atrocity is an atrocity and theses acts transcend all religions and races! People of the world should be outraged by all cruel senseless acts committed under the name of any religion or cultural belief. We must to stand together to PROTECT the innocent and voice our outrage as human beings. Those who commit these crimes should pay the price for their evil deeds. Mans inhumanity to man is alive and well..

  17. well, it is good to see people being able to write their views and thoughts on this topic without copping remarks of “racist”, “bigot” etc. Perhaps we have had progress, for when I posted my angry thoughts about the stupidity of allowing Islam to sway our government in our traditionally Christian country only a year ago, I was blasted at from all angles for being a racist.

  18. People need to also take a peek at how many women are being beheaded in Saudi Arabia. Many are servants who can’t even read or understand what they are being charged with! They are tortured and beaten by those they serve for trumped up reasons and then sent off to the sword! The numbers are rising however the outrage is not! Indonesian women who simply try to earn enough to eat are subject to these atrocities. They need to be warned of the dangers that await them. Th Saudis are doing nothing but protecting their oil!

  19. Manu Tripathi,
    Good catch.
    You can see these muslims/pseudo Christians posting on other sites that report on muslim atrocities.also.
    They have a pattern.Deny the muslim acts in the article,separate the religion from violence,tell personal stories to appear friendly,change the topic,try to draw people into a discussion ,get upset over a comment and act wounded.

    How logical is it to post muslims are great stories in response to something as horrific as the acid attacks committed by muslims ?

    Anyway…….i was going to ask if these attacks are linked to males in terrorist organizations or just the general population.They seem so extreme for something like turning down a marriage proposal.And if it is inter family marriage ,wouldn’t that leave the family with the victims being life long dependents ?

  20. Hey BNI have you got an article about the Turks being the greatest genocidal maniacs the world has ever known? There are some beauties around, and it is timely to take them out of mothballs for this very naive woman. This Hollis is a fruit loop or perhaps her Turk is on life support.

  21. Hollis, if Jesus Christ is your savior, read what Islamic eschatology has to say about what he will do upon his return. Is your savior a genocidal warlord? Will he rule the world by the Qur’an and die after seven years? Sunan Abu Dawud is rated third in authenticity of the six canonical collections. Tafsir Ibn Kathir is the most widely accepted exegesis of the Qur’an.

    Book 37, Number 4310:
    Narrated AbuHurayrah:

    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.
    http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/037-sat.php#037.4310

    In the future, the Jews will support the Dajjal (False Messiah); and the Muslims, along with `Isa, son of Mary, will kill the Jews. This will occur just before the end of this world.
    http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir//7.18998.html

    Hollis, Islam inverts Jesus Christ, depicting him as a genocidal warlord. After learning this, how can you believe anything Muslims tell you about their cult, their demon and his messenger?

  22. Hollis, do you sincerely abjure aggressive violence? Allah and his Messenger do not; instead they codified it in Islamic law. I quote directly from Reliance of the Traveller, Book O, Chapter 9.

    Observe the following carefully:
    1. legal definition of jihad
    2. communal/individual obligation to engage in jihad
    3. obligation to mount a minimum of one attack in every year
    4. what the caliph does and why he does it
    5. what is done to captives taken in war: men are murdered, women raped; children sold into slavery.

    Lest anyone harbor doubt of the authenticity of this information: Go to Amazon and buy the book or follow this link. Scroll up to the certification up to about page 16 of the text. Compare the text to this. http://www.islamicbulletin.com/free_downloads/resources/reliance_complete.pdf#page=617

    Chapter O9.0: Jihad

    (O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion. And it is the lesser jihad. As for the greater jihad, it is spiritual warfare against the lower self (nafs), which is why the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said as he was returning from jihad.

    “We have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad.”

    The scriptural basis for jihad, prior to scholarly consensus (def: b7) is such Koranic verses as:

    -1- “Fighting is prescribed for you” (Koran 2:216);

    -2- “Slay them wherever you find them” (Koran 4:89);

    -3- “Fight the idolators utterly” (Koran 9:36);

    and such hadiths as the one related by Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said:

    “I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And their final reckoning is with Allah”;

    and the hadith reported by Muslim,

    “To go forth in the morning or evening to fight in the path of Allah is better than the whole world and everything in it.”Details concerning jihad are found in the accounts of the military expeditions of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), including his own martial forays and those on which he dispatched others. The former consist of the ones he personally attended, some twenty-seven (others say twenty-nine) of them. He fought in eight of them, and killed only one person with his noble hand, Ubayy ibn Khalaf, at the battle of Uhud. On the latter expeditions he sent others to fight, himself remaining at Medina, and these were forty-seven in number.)

    O9.1: The Obligatory Character of Jihad

    Jihad is a communal obligation (def: c3.2). When enough people perform it to successfully accomplish it, it is no longer obligatory upon others (O: the evidence for which is the Prophet’s saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),

    “He who provides the equipment for a soldier in jihad has himself performed jihad,”

    and Allah Most High having said:

    “Those of the believers who are unhurt but sit behind are not equal to those who fight in Allah’s path with their property and lives. Allah has preferred those who fight with their property and lives a whole degree above those who sit behind. And to each, Allah has promised great good” (Koran 4:95).

    If none of those concerned perform jihad, and it does not happen at all, then everyone who is aware that it is obligatory is guilty of sin, if there was a possibility of having performed it. In the time of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) jihad was a communal obligation after his emigration (hijra) to Medina. As for subsequent times, there are two possible states in respect to non-Muslims.

    The first is when they are in their own countries, in which case jihad (def: o9.8) is a communal obligation, and this is what our author is speaking of when he says, “Jihad is a communal obligation,” meaning upon the Muslims each year.

    The second state is when non-Muslims invade a Muslim country or near to one, in which case jihad is personally obligatory (def: c3.2) upon the inhabitants of that country, who must repel the non-Muslims with whatever they can).

    O9.2

    Jihad is personally obligatory upon all those present in the battle lines (A: and to flee is an enormity (dis: p11) ) (O: provided one is able to fight. If unable, because of illness or the death of one’s mount when not able to fight on foot, or because one no longer has a weapon, then one may leave. One may also leave if the opposing non-Muslim army is more than twice the size of the Muslim force).

    O9.3

    Jihad is also (O: personally) obligatory for everyone (O: able to perform it, male or female, old or young) when the enemy has surrounded the Muslims (O: on every side, having entered our territory, even if the land consists of ruins, wilderness, or mountains, for non-Muslim forces entering Muslim lands is a weighty matter that cannot be ignored, but must be met with effort and struggle to repel them by every possible means. All of which is if conditions permit gathering (A: the above-mentioned) people, provisioning them, and readying them for war. If conditions do not permit this, as when the enemy has overrun the Muslims such that they are unable to provision or prepare themselves for war, then whoever is found by non-Muslim and knows he will be killed if captured is obliged to defend himself in whatever way possible. But if not certain that he will be killed, meaning that he might or might not be, as when he might merely be taken captive, and he knows he will be killed if he does not surrender, then he may either surrender or fight. A woman too has a choice between fighting or surrendering if she is certain that she will not be subjected to an indecent act if captured. If uncertain that she will be safe from such an act, she is obliged to fight, and surrender is not permissible).

    O9.4: Who is Obligated to Fight in Jihad

    Those called upon (O: to perform jihad when it is a communal obligation are every able bodied man who has reached puberty and is sane.

    O9.5

    The following may not fight in jihad:

    -1- Someone in debt, unless his creditor gives him leave;

    -2- or someone with at least one Muslim parent, until they give their permission;

    unless the Muslims are surrounded by the enemy, in which case it is permissible for them to fight without permission.

    O9.6

    It is offensive to conduct a military expedition against hostile non-Muslims without the caliph’s permission (A: though if there is no caliph (def: o25), no permission is required).

    O9.7

    Muslims may not seek help from non-Muslims allies unless the Muslims are considerably outnumbered and the allies are of goodwill towards the Muslims.

    O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad

    The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,

    “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled” (Koran 9.29),

    the time and place for which is before the final descent of Jesus (upon whom be peace). After his final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent (upon him and our Prophet be peace), which is the divinely revealed law of Muhammad. The coming of Jesus does not entail a separate divinely revealed law, for he will rule by the law of Muhammad. As for the Prophet’s saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),

    “I am the last, there will be no prophet after me,”

    this does not contradict the final coming of Jesus (upon whom be peace), since he will not rule according to the Evangel, but as a follower of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) ).

    O9.9

    The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (O: because they are not a people with a Book, nor honored as such, and are not permitted to settle with paying the poll tax (jizya) ) (n: though according to the Hanafi school, peoples of all other religions, even idol worshippers, are permitted to live under the protection of the Islamic state if they either become Muslim or agree to pay the poll tax, the sole exceptions to which are apostates from Islam and idol worshippers who are Arabs, neither of whom has any choice but becoming Muslim (al-Hidaya sharh Bidaya al-mubtadi’ (y21), 6.48-49) ).

    O9.10: The Rules of Warfare

    It is not permissible (A: in jihad) to kill women or children unless they are fighting against the Muslims. Nor is it permissible to kill animals, unless they are being ridden into battle against the Muslims, or if killing them will help defeat the enemy. It is permissible to kill old men (O: old man (shaykh meaning someone more than forty years of age) and monks.

    O9.11

    It is unlawful to kill a non-Muslim to whom a Muslim has given his guarantee of protection (O: whether the non-Muslim is one or more than one, provided the number is limited, and the Muslim’s protecting them does not harm the Muslims, as when they are spies) provided the protecting Muslim has reached puberty, is sane, and does so voluntarily (O: and is not a prisoner of them or a spy).

    O9.12

    Whoever enters Islam before being captured may not be killed or his property confiscated, or his young children taken captive.

    O9.13

    When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.

    O9.14

    When an adult male is taken captive, the caliph (def: o25) considers the interests (O: of Islam and the Muslims) and decides between the prisoner’s death, slavery, release without paying anything, or ransoming himself in exchange for money or for a Muslim captive held by the enemy.

  23. Wendy, marrying a Christian woman is legal but frowned upon by the strict Wahhabi sect. The best practice is to convert the Kuffar wife.

    BNI, Muslimas are prohibited from marrying Kuffar because the brats would be Kuffar. From Reliance of the Traveller:

    M4.1

    Suitability concerns lineage, religiousness, profession, and being free of defects that permit annulling the marriage contract (def: m7). (N: As for color, it is of no consideration in suitability.) @M4.2 The following are not suitable matches for one another:

    -1- a non-Arab man for an Arab woman (O: because of the hadith that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said,

    “Allah has chosen the Arabs above others”);

    -2- a corrupt man (def: o24.3) for a virtuous woman (O: though it is sufficient for the would-be husband to have given up his wrongdoing);

    -3- a man of a lowly profession for the daughter of someone with a higher profession, such as a tailor wanting to marry a merchant’s daughter (A: though an Islamic scholar is a suitable match for any level whatever);

    -4- or someone with a defect that permits annulling the marriage (def: m7) for someone without such defects.

    Being wealthy has nothing to do with suitability (O: for money comes and goes, and those with self-respect and intelligence do not take pride in it), nor does being elderly.

    • daj, I’m surprised they didn’t steal that custom from the Jews who rightly believed (before the age of DNA) that the child is the religion of the mother because fatherhood could not be scientifically determined back then.

  24. Leaving Hollis alone at this time, I’ll dare say ONE thing about the new law against throwing acid into the faces of women.

    Those that do it will get away with it by bribing the police, judges, etc. [Pakistan is an exceedingly-corrupt country!!] Furthermore, they might decide to actually kill instead of maim in this way so that they achieve their ultimate “vengeance” but can’t be so easily pinpointed. We thus can expect the murder rate to go up quite considerably over there.

    Once again, dear Ms. BNI, wonderful work in how you’re running your Weblog – have a Happy Hanukkah (which I understand is coming in less than 48 hours from now) and God Bless!!!

  25. Cops unconstitutionally drag men out of their homes in the U.S. for a push or a shove between spouses in the heat of a marital spat and he’s forever known as a perp of “domestic violence.” A night in jail, a few grand in legal expenses, and “anger managment” classes. Kiss his assets, family, and freedom goodbye if his loving partner ever dials 9-1-1 again, no matter how bogus. We’re inundated with bus advertisements and billboards about abused women to keep that federal funding, aka the $2billion/year “violence against women act” for all those under-used shelters and their man-hating staff, and to bribe, er, reimburse law enforcement for their incarceration expenses. TV specials and talk shows mock and condemn masculinity. Sitcoms portray husbands, fathers and sons as incompetent morons. Our daughters make up 57% of college students while our sons keep falling farther behind. Three-fourths of the jobs lost during this “recession” belonged to men. Family courts continue to treat men like ATM machines with the return of debtor prison for those who are unable to “support her in the manner to which she is accustomed.” Such is life in feminist America.

    Then we have muslims. Pity those poor women on what goes on behind closed doors.

    OK, guys, let’s say you’re a young muslim male and have been exposed to both cultures.

    Pick one. Throw in an X-rated after-life and its a no-brainer!

  26. Hollis,
    You said that violence or man’s inhumanity to man is indefensible by both religious and secular law.
    While that’s true in the West, it’s just not true in Islam under Sharia law.
    In places so governed, women are raped and men face no charge or penalty for it.
    To kill a non-Muslim, to lie to a non-Muslim or be dishonest in dealings with him, is not illegal or even unethical in Islam.
    You must not project Western expectations of individual dignity on non-Western religions and societies– it will distort your perspective badly.
    I can believe that 20 years ago, not many women were wearing the headscarf in Indonesia.
    I can also believe that things and religious preoccupations can change, and I seriously suspect that the headscarf is more visible on more women than before.
    Ask any Ahmadis if things have changed.
    Ask any of the Christian parishes if things have changed for them.

  27. Is there a chapter of “Doctors Without Borders” or another organization that could help these victims to be somewhat restored/reconstructed pro bono and also help them prosecute their attackers?

  28. Hollis,
    If ignorance is bliss, you must be a happy guy! May you live next to a Muslim terrorist and laugh when he stones your wife to death and beheads your children! That is true ignorance on your part!
    Sorry J.C.

    • Actually, I am a very happy woman, married to a Turk. I participated in this forum focusing on facts and ideas, forgetting that when people run out of ideas and facts they resort to personal attacks. How sad. How inappropriate! (I could go on….) I wish we could have focused on the issues, not on personal taunts and diatribes. Like many of you, I am fearful of a negative Muslim impact. But I am absolutely terrified of what is happening to my fellow Americans. And you have just confirmed some of those fears.

      • I am a muslim from a mixed marriage (my mother, raised in a convent with nuns, converted with her eyes open). Ever since then she has been witness to bigotry and pure hatred that can emanate within any society that lacks self control & self denial (muslim or non-muslim). I am horrified at the lies and attacks that go on unfettered against Islam & muslims in general due to the few.
        My heart sinks when I read the comments from self-labelled “civilised” people. Technology and arms do not make civility, but rather the conquest of the self .. read Jefferson, Lincoln et all who appreciated the light that came from Islam. Technology, science, social and legal systems from Islam are what the US and the west base there civilisation on – oh yes the lies that were perpetrated by the disgraced and discredited vatican, against Islam, during the middle ages STILL exist; this is not the sign of a civilised or just society.

        As a muslim I remain optimistic, (as one within this fine religion is encouraged to do) that whilst even a few just voices speak out in the west, there remains an opportunity for greater nderstanding, rather than deliberate mis-information from obscure sources. Thank you for showing an open and just mind set, even if it provokes hurtful words and thoughts.
        Abuse only ever begets more abuse, but the cycle shall be broken one day, God willing.

  29. Hollis
    Here is something that your husband and yourself might want to look at.

    GODS NAME
    ISRAEL —— ELOHIM —— G-D — BEGINNING TO PRESENT
    ISLAM ——– ILAH —— GOD —– ISHMAEL TO MOHUMMED
    MOHOMMEDISTS —– AL ILAH —- THE GOD – ALLAH– ( MOON GOD)—— FROM MOHUMMED TO PRESENT
    JUDEAO/CHRISTIAN —– ELOHIM — G-D —-BEGINNING TO PRESENT, ALSO GOD THE FATHER, GOD ALMIGHTY, GOD THE CREATOR.
    QURAN —— UP TO 1948 —– MEDINA THE BIBLE/TORAH WAS TO BE READ TO CLARIFY THE QURAN
    QURAN —– FROM 1948 TO PRESENT —– MAKKAH THE TORAH/BIBLE WERE NO LONGER TO BE READ, ONLY THE QURAN AND THE HIDITH

    If you would like additional information please respond.

  30. Hollis, I am a survivor of a Turkish Muslim. And yes I lived in Turkey for three years. I have lady friends there who are very worried about where Recep Edogan is taking the country. Women do not want to go back to the Otterman Empire conditions. Attaturk gave them freedom and equality. There are still women in country areas in Turkey that cannot read or write and this is just what their men want,. Keep them dumb and keep them down.

    Some of my friends have mothers that cant answer a phone because they cannot write a message. On the other hand there are lots of young women now in universities. However, the cruelty of some of the Turkish men is horrendous. These are the ones who are steeped in Islam. Many young men today do not go to the Jami and they consider it out of date and not in keeping with the modern world. However the direction their prime minister is taking their country is a great worry to a modern Turk. They can so easily fall back to the middle ages. This government is killing Kurds every day in the east of the country. It is only about 20 years since Turkey had a female President. That wont happen again for a long while.

  31. Hollis it is amusing to a point reading you plead your case. Go live in Saudi Arabia for a few years, as a woman you’ll love it!!! You can flaunt your sexuality in a burka (oh the allure of black eyeliner, not too too much or you’ll be raped and punished for adultery). Your trips outside the house will be escorted by a male guardian – how protective. No need to worry about those pesky parking tickets, driving will no longer be possible. The best part is getting your clit cut off to ensure you never have an orgasm or have any sex drive at all. How romantic. You can discuss the beauty of Islam with the three other wives your hubby required, but only in private because freedom of thought/opinion can get your beheaded or disfigured. Sharia Law protects women, remember? You have equal rights – equal to the livestock in the sense you are primed for slaughter and are a piece of meat at every given moment. Oh imagine the pride you’ll feel when your young daughter is married off to your husband’s 54 year old cousin.

    It is difficult NOT to lump all Muslims into the same pile of sh*t. Their actions speak volumes. Every suicide bombing, honor killing, subjugation of infidels, lawsuit, threat, murder, rape, act of pedophilia, violence is sanctioned by the Koran and Muslims will be greatly rewarded for bringing death and destruction to the world. And Islam murders apostates! Where do I sign up???

    • I have no intention of moving to Saudi Arabia, NikitaAnne, and I hold no brief for their primitive and violent society. I deplore violence and discrimination in any quarter of the world. My association is with Turkey, and to a limited extent, Indonesia. I like to explore and learn about the world, and to take part in civil debate and discourse. I wish you peace, and happiness, and a little more literacy.

  32. barenakedislam,
    Please do not argue with her(Hollis). Please give her time to digest the the truth that she is a Muslims or surrounded with them. And let her absorb the shock that the truth about Muslims are like this, which is being shared on ours like sites. LET HER EDUCATE HERSELF ABOUT THE TRUTH.
    She is not trying to convince you, rather she is trying to convince herself about the Islam, that it is some thing good, as it is around her life. She is coming with same set of arguments that usually Muslim give. Even Obama is trying to convince the world that when a Muslim does something unacceptable by society, it has nothing to do with Islam or being Muslim , it is BEHAVIORAL DISORDER of an individual.
    Anyways no need to waste time with another islamic robot that comes with a set pattern of actions for which she is programmed with.
    please enjoy a story of a Bangladeshi man chopped off figures of his wife, as she was very found of reading and studying….

    Hollis or any other Muslims,
    please do not come to me complaining that no Muslims are involved in it. Secondly please do not tell me it has nothing to do with Islam.
    I will not entertain these two complaints.

      • I am not a Muslim, I am a practicing Christian, baptized and confirmed in the Episcopal Church. I never intended to start a controversy that would degenerate into a slanderous diatribe. That said, my Christian faith requires me to turn the other cheek and not respond in kind. I wish you peace. I am not sure why you think “I will never learn”, but you do learn more by listening than by shouting. I’ll close on a final note… and I do hope this can be a final note (unless someone chooses to further attack my Christian faith or my family)…. Your circumstances never control you, they only reveal you to yourself. That goes for individuals and nations.

  33. Hollis,

    Yes, I have sat down with Muslims. When I was 17 my, during the Iran hostage crisis, my family hid an Iranian student in our home because she was a good friend of mine and we feared she might be deported. Then in the mid 80s I had an Iranian roommate in San Francisco. His family fled from Iran to France about the same time I was hiding my friend. Both of these people told me horror stories about Islam. When Amir told me what the Ayatollah said concerning sex with animals and the “thighing” of babies and small children. I thought he had to be pulling my leg, but he swore up and down that it was the truth. So I researched it, and know what? He was telling me the truth! The female friend was so afraid of returning to Iran once the Shah was deposed and Khomeini was in charge…she told me “Women will be treated terribly by these people. They’re going to make us wear the chador and take away our rights.” Guess what? She was right!

  34. I’m sceptical this will change much because it is the law from and unpopular, inept and corrupt government vs the culture which is widespread and acceptable from the religious standpoint.

  35. I’m with Perceptor1 where are the feminists in this?

    Jay Leno’s wife Marvis Leno is a feminist: Mavis Nicholson Leno is the chair of the Feminist Majority Foundation’s Campaign to Help Afghan Women and Girls, and has been the United States’ most outspoken critic of the Taliban’s horrific treatment of women.

    http://keynotespeakers.com/speaker_detail.php?speakerid=4777

    Aren’t people like this AWARE that it CAN happen here? I don’t understand how the Progressives can believe that this “gentle religious” cult isn’t a threat to our own belief systems and traditions!

  36. If you are an honest, gentle, kind person.
    If you attempt to treat your enemies with kindness while educating them about the precepts of good and evil,
    If you are willing to love your family more than yourself,
    If you stand up for the plight of the widows and orphans,
    If you treat women with respect and dignity, defending them as the weaker sex,
    If you will not withhold the wages of a man , clothe the needy and feed the hungry as much as possible,
    If you are willing to prove what is right by your actions and deeds,
    and single minded , not making “evil,good” or “good out of evil”.
    If you are willing to see another person as your equal,

    You cannot possibly be following the koran.
    If you say you are, then you lie, and are convicted by a righteous God.
    And if you are following what I have written above, allah will condemn you to hell, as ….you are not obeying mohammed.

    You cannot be a righteous person and follow the koran which is unrighteous.
    That’s schizophrenic.

    The foundation of all righteousness is self-sacrifice. The root of that is love.
    mohammed never sacrificed anything for any greater good.
    He only demanded. Taking what he wanted regardless of the consequences.
    A spoiled manchild on a mission of evil.

    Religion is a choice. ………..Choose wisely.

  37. Hollis,

    I am glad that your wife is humane and against violence, but I view this as being in-spite of her religious views.

    The fact is that the Quran preaches hate, violence and intolerance. If she truly adhered to this evil book, she would be committing the same violent acts that are highlighted on this site. Your wife’s moral compass may be strong enough for her to resist the evil excesses of Islam, but many people don’t have the same moral fortitude and are easily swayed to commit horrible violence in the name of Islam.

    I had a much more accepting view towards Islam until I actually took the time to study the Quran. As I realised what was actually written in this vile book, I formed the view that it is completely incompatible with Western values.

  38. This just makes me so mad that I could scream. It makes me want to punch the wall.

    While I am an atheist, sometimes I wish that there was a hell for these bastards to burn in for eternity.

    The fact is that a sick death cult like Islam is perfect for distorting a persons values to commit such heinous crimes.

    • No worries. I assure you that there will be no practicing Muslims that will go to heaven. They will all go to hell. No, I didn’t make that up. It’s Biblical. They just don’t know it yet until they die. You need Jesus to go to heaven in which Islam forbids you to do. For a Muslim to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, (which He is) is considered a “Shirk”! That means “Unforgivable sin”

      Personally, I would love to see all these Muslims accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, but, that will not happen. Those who die believing in Islam will indeed go to hell and they will only know the truth when they die that Jesus is Lord of all. There will be extremely few Muslims that will see the truth and accept Jesus and dump Muhammad!

      I promise you. Muhammad is burning in hell right now and, if it were possible, he would come back and BEG EVERYBODY he lied to to follow Jesus. Seems like you only got us to trust.

  39. Maybe Hollis & hubby need to read more about what muslims are doing all over the globe & then would then understand our point of view on Islam, idiot Mohammad, the Koran & Sharia. Actions speak way louder than words.

    • My comments were polite and on topic, and a snarky response is uncalled for. I assure you that my comments are well-researched and based, in part, on first-hand observations and experience. (Have you traveled to a Muslim country? Had a serious conversation with a Muslim person?) While we’re busy bashing Muslims, we should remember that the blessed protections of the US Constitution (free speech!) also apply to people who do not agree with you. >;->

      That said, I reaffirm my stance that i deplore violence of any stripe, committed by any person. It is indefensible under any civil or religious law, and must be addressed as a crime against humanity… ALL of humanity.

      • Hollis, thank you. Your comments are among the most well-informed and logical on this thread. Others just fail to listen because they are too wrapped up in their own views (and often their own hatreds) to see the world clearly.

        I am an Atheist and personally I see ALL religion as doing far more harm than good in the world. (EVERY religion has its own history of violence and atrocities and those who deny it are just lying to themselves.) I also know, however, that not every person who embraces religion–regardless of WHAT religion–will necessarily inflict harm on others.

        Hating someone because of his/her religion is like hating someone because of his/her skin colour or gender. Hating all Muslims because of what some of them do would be like hating all men because most rapes and murders are committed by men. I’m guessing all of the men on this thread would not like being seen as rapists? I certainly wouldn’t.

        If you research the religions of those in US prisons, you will see that they are overwhelmingly Christian, by both number and percent. Shouldn’t we therefore be hating Christians in the United States?
        http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm
        (My question is facetious, of course; hating someone because of his/her religion is illogical.)

        Violence is inexcusable. Period.

  40. I read another comment on the horrors unleashed on humanity Judeo-Christian God, from a supposedly enlightened “spiritual” publisher Dr. Mark Pitstick. And people in the West lap this garbage up.

    And then we have Islam, the system which seems to be beyond reproach, whose followers, having no concept of man being “created in the image of God”, no concept of the sacred in the other. Especially their women!

    These are not men. To call them cockroaches is a disservice to cockroaches.

  41. No Jim, this is what the liberals and Obama support, not to forget all the damn idiots in this country want! Just watch the life of a Muslim in Detroit. We just all want Muslim rule in this country. Re-elect Obama next year and then see how fast CAIR grows!

  42. Battery acid, toilet bowl cleaner, stain remover or drain cleaner; any concentrated caustic or corrosive liquid will do.

    There have been a few attacks in Europe in the last decade. There was one recently in Asia, I think it was Singapore.

    This is why we can not allow those Goddamn things in our society. The presence of that threat will make security impossible and totally destroy trust. Nobody can live free when death and disfigurement can come from any direction at any time.

    One Goddamn AssWhole with a Super Soaker, even a bucket on a roof top or balcony could blind and disfigure many innocent victims before anyone could stop it.

    Muslims are superior, the best people, to them, we are “dog shit” (najis). They consider women to be chattel property who owe them the use of their sex organs. As their numbers increase, their arrogance and confidence will grow exponentially and violence will escalate with impunity. Then it will be too late.

    We absolutely must elect leaders with common sense and courage who will expel & exclude Muslims from Western Civilization. There is no acceptable alternative!!! Disrespectfully demand that every candidate for Congress or the Presidency unequivocally condemn and denounce Islam. if they refuse, do not vote for them. November 6, 2012 will be too late; start now, before the primary elections.

    Up yer snout, CAIR; go to Hell!!! This is the country of free men, who stand on the human rights seized by our founders and enshrined by them in our founding documents. We will not be intimidated. We will not be silenced. We will never submit!

  43. To be brutally honest, most Muslims are sub-human. Those few exceptions (which Winston Spencer Churchill recognised) end up better than that not because of but IN SPITE OF the ideology of Islâm!!!

    • NOT TRUE. Most Muslims are eminently human. I am a Christian American married to a Turkish Muslim. I can assure you that he and his family are both human and humane. They share our values on every level, and would find any hint of violence absolutely appalling. We do our cause a disservice by lumping all Muslims in a single pot. Our goal is to root out violence, tyranny, terror and media manipulation. The majority of Muslims would agree with us; our target is the minority that do not.

      • Sorry, Hollis, we do NOT share your ‘values.’ I’m sure you are familiar with what Turkey is becoming since Erdogan took control turning Turkey into more of an Islamic, rather than secular state. There are over 8,000 stories here about muslims, many violent ones, but even more about the stealth jihadists like CAIR worming their way into our culture and gradually destroying it from within.

        Our goal is to stop all immigration of Muslims and reduce the numbers already here. We also want to ban Islam, because it is not a legitimate religion. The quiet ones are the ones we distrust most.

      • I’m baffled by your response. “We” (who?) do not share “your” (my?) values? Are you a Turk? I just returned from Istanbul a week ago, and am well aware of the controversy cause by the Erdogan regime. (Not too much different than the controversy caused by the Obama regime, it seems.) Turks themselves are divided, and the debate rages on in their own media.

        Stopping Islam altogether is about as realistic as standing in front of a moving freight train and hoping it will stop. Ain’t gonna happen, in this country or any other, by virtue of sheer numbers. Exploiting the power of a peaceful majority to curb violence and extremism is a more pragmatic goal. And Turks are on board with that.

        As of last week, Erdogan (who “took control” by being elected) was still controversial, the Turkish economy was still booming, and the streets and thoroughfares of Istanbul were still clogged with “regular guys” just trying to get to work and earn a living. Much like us.

  44. Listen, Hollis: you know well that “a bad tree does NOT bear good fruit”, nor a good tree bad fruit!!!

    Islâm has encouraged the total subjugation of women for over 1,400 years!! When their status is so lowered that their testimony is worth only half that of men’s words; when they’re otherwise FORCED to even cover up their faces completely with the burqa (you’re forced to look through a wire-mesh!); when you’re forbidden to go anywhere or do anything important without a male guardian (the way it’s done in Saudi Arabia!!!): is it ANY surprise that such behaviour ensues??? Furthermore, if it were anti-Muslim, WHY hasn’t it been stopped by the imams, mullahs, ayatollahs and grand-muftis???

    No, I most emphatically hold Islâm guilty for those acid-attacks just as much as of anything else!!!!

    • I appreciate your comments and can only respond from my own personal experience. Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country, has remained *largely* secular and peaceful. When I was there about 20 years, there was not a headscarf or burqa in sight, and the Indonesians were bustling around trying to develop their infrastructure and economy. Jakarta didn’t look any different than major international cities, either in its skyline or on street. (Oh, the traffic jams – a universal common denominator!)

      As for Turkey, although women may not have achieved full economic and social equality *yet*, they are free to dress as they choose. For every burqa (rarely seen), there are at least 20 skirts and jeans on the street. A number of women wear head scarves, but (at least until recently) NOT if they work in a government office or attend a state-funded university. A huge civil rights issue has been getting them permission to wear religious garb if they work or study in publoic venues.

      And, more importantly, women have had the vote since the republic was founded, and hold significant political and corporate offices. One factoid: of the current class of pilot trainees at Turkish Airlines, almost half are women. I won’t soon forget the thrill of a flight (an Airbus jet) captained by an articulate, fluent Turkish woman who landed us flawlessly in the the mountainous region of Izmir. When the cockpit crew came out to greet the departing passengers, I saw that she was so petite that she (jokingly, I say this) needed to sit on phone books to see over the controls. And there’s a 99% chance that she, like most Turks, was a Muslim.

      Since Turkey is ruled by an elected government and not by “imams, mullahs, ayatollahs and grand-muftis”, any political change would come from the democratic electoral process. And an acid attack on a woman in Turkey would be front-page headline news. The perpetrator would be condemned by public outcry and subject to the full retribution of the law (although Turkey, unlike many American states, does not permit the death penalty.)

      The first step in toeing the line against militant Islam and violence of ANY stripe would be to educate ourselves about the world as it really is. I wonder, politely, how many of the readers of this blog have actually ever sat down and spoken to a Muslim?

      • hollis, I have several stories here about honor killings in Turkey and even more about persecution and beheadings of Christians in Indonesia. But I won’t waste my time pulling them up for you. Please don’t waste anymore of ours. We know how evil Islam is and how uncivil are most of its inbred followers. Turkey will be Iran in 20 years.

      • As this is a public forum where polite and topical discourse should be welcome, I WILL continue to share my perceptions as I read and listen to those of others. Ignorance has yet to stop a single terrorist attack or honor killing, so we need all the ideas and information we can get.

        To the reader who believes Turkey will be Iran in twenty years…. maybe yes, maybe no. But I shudder to think of what the United States will be in five years. We can no longer feed, fuel, clothe, or even govern ourselves adequately. At the end of WW II, we enjoyed the peak of power, prestige and military, economyicand moral authority.in the world. It took us a single generation to throw this away and sink into a dependent, spendthrift nanny state.

        BTW the last honor killing I read about took place in Queens County NYC and was covered in the New York Post. A horror story, wherever it took occurred. No single nation or community has a monopoly on evil; we have to be vigilant everywhere. But those who dump it all on Muslim shoulders run the risk of missing some important beats in current affairs. Remember Timothy McVeigh? Ruby Ridge? Tupac Amaru in Peru? Nicaragua? Philippines? Poland? Russia? Violence, prejudice, and terror exist everywhere, and we have a responsibility to protest and fight it everywhere.

      • Hollis, I guess you missed the part about the Third Terrorist in the Oklahoma being a Muslim. McVey had associates in Indonesia, Muslim terrorists, who were integral to that attack. GOOGLE The Third Terrorist if you don’t believe me.

        And yes, this country has declined significantly since you put a muslim in the White House. But don’t get me started on the traitor.

        Check out the website called TheReligionofPeace.com and you can find the latest number of deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9/11. Over 18,000 now. Scroll down the page for details on these attacks from the last 2 months.

  45. What? How unjust, and how unfair to change the law on aciding defenceless women. Have the Paki’s gone mad? This is a part of their domination of women and to keep all other women in check. It is called humilliation. The Taliban do this all the time. Time Magazine had a wonderful story of hope, a young Afghan women had her nose cut off by her Islamic masters. She has now been restored, by some American doctors and lives in USA today. It is all about humilliation and control. I know it so well. I could not go out of my house for months because I looked so hideous. I did not recognise myself. We hide away in dark places.

  46. In Pakistan, the male population is rising and the female population is declining, because they do things like this to their women. These people are so stupid. They don’t place any value on their lifebearers. Those poor women! But look on the bright side, in about fifty years, there will be fewer Pakistanis. The birth rate has to decline with fewer and fewer women.

  47. This is pure evil. Nothing in the Koran justifies, endorses, advocates or excuses such vile behavior. This is not MUSLIM behavior, but a crime against humanity, a perversion of everything decent under every religion and creed in the world. The attackers are not Muslims, not even true human beings.

    Why do we continue to subsidize regimes that cannot (or choose not) to respond to such atrocities with the full force of their political might? Turkey can’t get into the EU, in part because they eat liver and tripe (but not frogs, like the French.) The Europeans find this outrageous! Where is the outrage over THIS atrocity? IMHO we are almost as guilty as the nations that harbor these monsters by not raising holy hell over this shameful charade.

  48. Where are the Western feminists protesting?

    Hypocritical cow-ards.

    Look at this…Islam degrades women.

    Modernity liberates women from this DEATH CLUB FOR MEN.

    • A “feminist” is simply someone who wants equal rights for men and women.

      Your comment would therefore imply that you 1) not living in a developed nation or 2) that are either a misogynist or a “cow-ard”.

      What are YOU doing about this atrocity, other than posting your overtly-biased views on a blog?

      (And if you’re wondering what I’m doing… I moved to Australia a year ago and am pursuing a graduate degree in Gender and Development Studies. My focus is on genital mutilation (both male and female) and how to prevent it. So while I’m not working on this problem in particular, I am amongst a group of people who are making a concerted effort to enact positive change in the world. So… now it’s your turn…)

      • I failed to edit my comment correctly. (“Fail”, I know.)
        It should read:
        “Your comment would therefore imply that you are 1) not living in a developed nation or 2) are either a misogynist or a ‘cow-ard’.”

  49. Good point, Upaces. We should grant asylum to these women and also let them be glaring warnings to the depravities of Muslim men.

  50. Grouchy, agreed……..my comment was directed at the perpetrators, not the poor, suffering victims. The perpetrators are still subhuman muslims.

  51. What the ‘ell kind of acid are they using, for G-D’s sake???

    I don’t care if they are muslim,,, they are still HUMAN, and don’t deserve this from any man, mozlem or not~!
    The question can rightly be asked, “Well, why don’t they get out of islam?”,,, and it goes to education, or the lack thereof,,, they are NOT PERMITTED to know anything of the outside world,,, nor can most of them read or write their own language~!,,, let alone learn the nuances of English, or of their own kuran~! Repressive Ideologies are like that,,, Keep ‘em fat, dumb and happy,,, and ruled by a patriarchal government~!

    • Mark, a real Muslim will never do such a thing as in the Quran it says: “If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” and also Prophet said, ‘A (true) Muslim is one who does not hurt others with his tongue and hands and a (true) migrant (muhaajir) is one who migrates from (avoids) anything that Allah has forbidden.’ (Sahih Bukhari, V1, P15, Hadith 10) What these criminals have done and do still, is not from Islamic teachings rather cultural crimes and they should be seen as criminals not muslims. Why is it that when a christian westerner kills his wife, beats the crap out of her its ok he is just a guy,, but if the same were true of an Arab, Paki-indo, Afghani etc then it is a reflection of Islam?!! There are soooo many people here even in Saudi who do not even know what Islam really is, just as in the states we have people who are and are not religious no matter what their religion Stop having double standards please and realize that this acid throwing is a horrific human crime having nothing to do at alllllllllll with Islam. The Prophet mohammed said, Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 628 Narrated by Abu Hurayrah
      The Prophet (saws) said: ‘Among the Muslims the most perfect, as regards his faith, is the one whose character is excellent, and the best among you are those who treat their wives well.’

      I really ask people, please learn about islam not necessary to become muslim but to know for yourselves when media feeds you garbage and what is the reality. To be honest with you,, today,,, most “Muslims” are not following their religion and are not having the good behavior required of people. But it doesnt mean Islam is teaching that.

      • I have. This is true culture of Islam. Try reading the next verse after “if anyone slays a person…” You conveniently left the important verse out. What a shame!

  52. These poor women. Now “IF” Obama were truly a humanitarian — he would offer these women sanctuary into the U.S. and shut out all others…instead, he backs the entire Muslim Countries and turns his back on Israel and as far as I am concerned, the USA also.

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